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Post by Mfitz804 on Jan 3, 2020 11:45:15 GMT -5
As many of you know, I have a full time job away from this forum. Yesterday and today are ridiculously slow because of the holiday, which has allowed me to participate more than I expected. That said, I have still not been able to keep up with every thread.
Which is a good thing, obviously, I am glad that people are excited and contributing. But as we go forward there is no way that i will be able to follow everything. I have a couple Moderators who will help, but even still, we may not catch anything.
As such, I would ask that if anyone sees something truly offensive that needs to be dealt with, please let me know. I'll do my best to get anything of that nature removed with a quickness. Your help in that regard will be greatly appreciated. I believe there is a "Report Post" option located in the little gear on each post for that purpose.
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Post by Chris Greene on Jan 3, 2020 11:50:52 GMT -5
Or tell a Mod. My opinion, anyone who is a mod needs to be identified as such. and have their identity as staff members available. I turned my privacy to hidden from view because I didn't want people to think I was actually on here all day so you can either hide from public view or log out. I am about to turn on my public view again.
Anyone who is a mod should be identified as such and it should be obvious to the public, IMO, who the mods are and if any of they are online, they are on duty. I'd suggested only one or two but as some new people are coming in from who knows where, they may not understand the culture that's been brought over from the FDP.
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Post by jonnyblooz on Jan 3, 2020 12:04:59 GMT -5
If it gets to the point you need more mods, hit me up I would be interested in looking into maybe helping.
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Post by D Rogue on Jan 3, 2020 13:36:50 GMT -5
I think the hot topic bans and some of the PG-13 guidelines were good, and kept people civil, but also think that we're all adults and can handle a little more in the lines of adult humor. That said, I never posted anything out of line or tasteless in the FDP, and don't plan on starting here, but I think the general consensus is over (and sometimes unnecessary) moderation is what ran so many people off. Back in 2005, let's say, unless a post in Moe's was continually replied to it would end up on page 2 by noon, while in the latter years posts could last a month or more on the first page. Why do you think that was? Not trying to stir up crap, or buck the system, but just my $0.02 which is shared by many.
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Post by Chris Greene on Jan 3, 2020 13:42:17 GMT -5
A site is either family friendly or it is not. This is not my site, it is Mike's but when we talked over the past few weeks, I encouraged him to keep the FDP's standards in place. My view then and remains today that there are plenty of other internet forums where one can go be a jerk. Most of the people you refer to were kicked out and did not leave on their own volition. I never gave them a second thought. The FDP was my home and people either acted like good guests or were gone. This is now Mike's home so how he runs it is his call.
I want to add, that I would not have allowed the discussions we had in the waning days of the FDP had I thought a poorly moderated site would try to replace it and I would not have pointed a link to MT2 otherwise. The complainers had no experience in running a forum and didn't, generally, help to keep it going. They were of no loss to the FDP IMO.
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Post by Mfitz804 on Jan 3, 2020 13:59:46 GMT -5
We'll paraphrase Justice Stewart's definition of obscenity in determining what content is not acceptable here. "I know it when I see it". Everyone is expected to stay behind that line. I am under the assumption that a larger percentage of our members were with the FDP up until the end, and as such, should already know how they are supposed to conduct themselves.
I don't know who got removed from the FDP, or who removed themselves. When contacted by people who have been off of the FDP for some time, I assured them they were welcome to "return" as long as they follow the rules, just like everyone else.
As I have been saying since the idea started, this isn't the "all new mfitz804 forum". This is myself and others, rather than just parting ways, continuing a conversation we've been having for years on the FDP. It follows that the practices, procedures and rules would also carry over.
That said, we have no intention of over moderating anything here. the rules are essentially no politics, no religion, no cursing, no excessive fighting or name calling, and because of the fact we can now post pictures, no nudity. Whenever a point is asserted is permitted by the rules, a valid counterpoint expressed in accordance with the rules is also going to be permitted. That debate will be allowed to continue as long as both sides are being civil. If they aren't, it won't.
Aside from that, just talk about guitars, giraffes, and whatever else and we'll all have fun.
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Post by D Rogue on Jan 3, 2020 14:12:00 GMT -5
I agree with some of what you wrote, and agree that some moderation helps keep things civil. I also agree with your "it's my house/my rules" analogy. However, I think there are lots of things that couldn't be posted that wouldn't be jerky or take away from the family vibe (after the kiddies went to bed). I also think you are mistaken that most of the people that left or stopped posting were kicked out. I was never kicked out, but in the last 5 years I probably had a few posts, and could go months without even looking at the FDP, while in the past I started and ended my day on the FDP.
I'm not trying to be a Jack wagon or upset anyone here with these comments, but I think my opinion is far more shared than you would like to believe. I do think the general consensus of those who used to post a lot but then stopped is that the FDP was a great site, with lots of things learned/shared and lots of cool people met and became friends; which many are thankful and grateful to the FDP. However, after time things grew stale, so people left and went elsewhere.
Hey, bottom line is I'm happy to be here and see old names, but since this is new, with people trying to figure out what will be successful, or why the FDP died on the vine, I thought I would try to respectfully share my opinion. As always, YMMV.
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Post by Mfitz804 on Jan 3, 2020 14:19:52 GMT -5
I agree with some of what you wrote, and agree that some moderation helps keep things civil. I also agree with your "it's my house/my rules" analogy. However, I think there are lots of things that couldn't be posted that wouldn't be jerky or take away from the family vibe (after the kiddies went to bed). I also think you are mistaken that most of the people that left or stopped posting were kicked out. I was never kicked out, but in the last 5 years I probably had a few posts, and could go months without even looking at the FDP, while in the past I started and ended my day on the FDP. I'm not trying to be a Jack wagon or upset anyone here with these comments, but I think my opinion is far more shared than you would like to believe. I do think the general consensus of those who used to post a lot but then stopped is that the FDP was a great site, with lots of things learned/shared and lots of cool people met and became friends; which many are thankful and grateful to the FDP. However, after time things grew stale, so people left and went elsewhere. Hey, bottom line is I'm happy to be here and see old names, but since this is new, with people trying to figure out what will be successful, or why the FDP died on the vine, I thought I would try to respectfully share my opinion. As always, YMMV. Sharing your opinion is fine, and in fact I have encouraged it multiple times. I thank you for same. My "line" of what is acceptable might end up being different than Chris's. Or it may not be. I can't tell you that in the hypothetical. We'll know when the issue comes up. PG-13 is something, as the father of a 12 year old, I am very conscious of. I don't know how many people that are here left the FDP, or the reasons they left. And I don't care, like I said, all are welcome. But all are expected to behave in a certain manner. This isn't Facebook. I honestly wouldn't worry about over moderation on day two of a site where only one thread has been removed. Have fun, discuss stuff, and we'll figure out the rest along the way.
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Post by D Rogue on Jan 3, 2020 14:27:57 GMT -5
Right on! Again, just trying to respectfully share my opinion. I look forward seeing this new site grow... and I have no intention of violating any of the rules. Thanks for hopeful rejuvenation of the FDP!
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Post by Mfitz804 on Jan 3, 2020 14:39:07 GMT -5
Right on! Again, just trying to respectfully share my opinion. I look forward seeing this new site grow... and I have no intention of violating any of the rules. Thanks for hopeful rejuvenation of the FDP! You did so respectfully, which is much appreciated.
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Post by Dr Bass MD on Jan 3, 2020 14:53:19 GMT -5
I agree with some of what you wrote, and agree that some moderation helps keep things civil. I also agree with your "it's my house/my rules" analogy. However, I think there are lots of things that couldn't be posted that wouldn't be jerky or take away from the family vibe (after the kiddies went to bed). I also think you are mistaken that most of the people that left or stopped posting were kicked out. I was never kicked out, but in the last 5 years I probably had a few posts, and could go months without even looking at the FDP, while in the past I started and ended my day on the FDP. I'm not trying to be a Jack wagon or upset anyone here with these comments, but I think my opinion is far more shared than you would like to believe. I do think the general consensus of those who used to post a lot but then stopped is that the FDP was a great site, with lots of things learned/shared and lots of cool people met and became friends; which many are thankful and grateful to the FDP. However, after time things grew stale, so people left and went elsewhere. Hey, bottom line is I'm happy to be here and see old names, but since this is new, with people trying to figure out what will be successful, or why the FDP died on the vine, I thought I would try to respectfully share my opinion. As always, YMMV. Sharing your opinion is fine, and in fact I have encouraged it multiple times. I thank you for same. My "line" of what is acceptable might end up being different than Chris's. Or it may not be. I can't tell you that in the hypothetical. We'll know when the issue comes up. PG-13 is something, as the father of a 12 year old, I am very conscious of. I don't know how many people that are here left the FDP, or the reasons they left. And I don't care, like I said, all are welcome. But all are expected to behave in a certain manner. This isn't Facebook. I honestly wouldn't worry about over moderation on day two of a site where only one thread has been removed. Have fun, discuss stuff, and we'll figure out the rest along the way. I moderate a Facebook group. A Neighborhood group. It can be challenging, But it’s certainly doable. I learned about this new forum from Facebook FDP folks with whom I’ve remained friends. I thank them for that. FWIW, I wasn’t booted. I chose not to re-up when we had to re-register. I was bored with it. And agree with D Rogue. It had become a mindset of sameness.
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Post by Mfitz804 on Jan 3, 2020 16:55:05 GMT -5
Sharing your opinion is fine, and in fact I have encouraged it multiple times. I thank you for same. My "line" of what is acceptable might end up being different than Chris's. Or it may not be. I can't tell you that in the hypothetical. We'll know when the issue comes up. PG-13 is something, as the father of a 12 year old, I am very conscious of. I don't know how many people that are here left the FDP, or the reasons they left. And I don't care, like I said, all are welcome. But all are expected to behave in a certain manner. This isn't Facebook. I honestly wouldn't worry about over moderation on day two of a site where only one thread has been removed. Have fun, discuss stuff, and we'll figure out the rest along the way. I moderate a Facebook group. A Neighborhood group. It can be challenging, But it’s certainly doable. I learned about this new forum from Facebook FDP folks with whom I’ve remained friends. I thank them for that. FWIW, I wasn’t booted. I chose not to re-up when we had to re-register. I was bored with it. And agree with D Rogue. It had become a mindset of sameness. One thing I can guarantee is that while Chris and I get along, and we share a view of how this place should be run, we cannot be accused of "sameness". I think we disagreed on the FDP as often as we agreed on a variety of topics (like his opinion of my ugly ass Dr. Martens and mine of his ugly ass Desert Boots ).
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Post by professor on Jan 3, 2020 17:48:34 GMT -5
I don’t think anybody’s mind has ever been changed by some internet forum argument. OTOH I am concerned about trolls moving into the neighborhood and/or people who think they can convince you of something. Best to try to ignore and avoid provocation.
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Post by Tom(2) on Jan 4, 2020 5:02:00 GMT -5
Why do you think that was? Not getting too off topic here, but the decline of participation in 'discussion forums' or earlier 'guestbooks' is a consequence of the rise of 'social' networks. I remember when people started to go to myspace, and then facebook and twitter 'stole' a huge part of what once was shared in those forums. add to that the rise of 'apps' and mobile devices… I think this explains in part, why the traffic on those 'old style' web places has sadly decreased in general. I know some people took issue with a supposedly 'get off my lawn' spirit they tought they smelled waving through the forums, (and I think that was the motivation for the creation of one other forum that rised from a original FDP sub forum), but I don't think that this attributed as much to the decrease in interest as did the all shiny new data sucking social network industry.
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Post by Ryder on Jan 6, 2020 19:07:41 GMT -5
Thank you!! I don’t come here to read tasteless crap.
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