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Post by rickyguitar on Jan 7, 2020 13:40:18 GMT -5
Guitar centers king of the blues 2011. YouTube again.
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Post by Chris Greene on Jan 7, 2020 14:00:24 GMT -5
I still have trouble with white bluesmen. As good as so many are, none of them have ever come close to authentic like the guys they all copied.
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Post by NoSoapRadio on Jan 7, 2020 14:13:53 GMT -5
I'm sure Johnny Winter never had the blues
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Post by Chris Greene on Jan 7, 2020 14:19:04 GMT -5
I didn't say I didn't like them, I said I have trouble with them. I have a lot of old white blues artist LPs and CDs but I prefer the originals (for the most part) these white kids copied from. You know me, no cultural appropriation... ;o)
Part of the reason I liked early Yardbirds was they brought a fresh turn to it. Clapner, not so much. I admire Clapner to no end but he was mostly a mimic. Except Further on up the Road which he destroyed compared to Bobby "Blue" Bland:
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Post by NoSoapRadio on Jan 7, 2020 15:08:43 GMT -5
Not that there is any justice in it -- if white guys like Page, Beck, Clapner, and the Stones hadn't picked up and moved the "real" blues forward, Guys like B.B., Muddy, Wolf -- just to name a few, might not be as mainstream as they are today.
I guess we could accuse Evans and Brubeck of appropriating riffs from Monk, Duke, and Ocsar Peterson.
We're all just trying to find ways to stack up the same 12 notes.
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Post by Chris Greene on Jan 7, 2020 16:13:16 GMT -5
No, I get it. They all admit that they all steal from each other. And you're probably right, without The Yarbirds, Stones, Clapner, and a host of other Brit rock guys, many of the original bluesmen would be so niche no one would know them.
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Post by rickyguitar on Jan 7, 2020 18:00:49 GMT -5
The problem I have with a lot of old school blues guys is their technique is frequently lacking. I prefer listening to someone who has serious proficiency. I cannot listen to Robert Johnson, although I can listen to Mississippi John Hurt.
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Post by NoSoapRadio on Jan 7, 2020 18:09:25 GMT -5
"The problem I have with a lot of old school blues guys is their technique is frequently lacking."
I'm guessing 99% of the old school guys had no idea there was a technique for what they were inventing. I give them a pass.
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Post by Chris Greene on Jan 7, 2020 18:26:45 GMT -5
"The problem I have with a lot of old school blues guys is their technique is frequently lacking." I'm guessing 99% of the old school guys had no idea there was a technique for what they were inventing. I give them a pass. Me too. |
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Post by Riff Twang on Jan 7, 2020 22:27:09 GMT -5
I think poor technique and a few bum notes pale to insignificance when compared to great feel and groove.
That Bobby Bland recording is a prime example.
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Post by BluzLvr on Feb 18, 2020 11:20:19 GMT -5
Some guys can squeeze more feeling out of a couple of notes. Others play a thousand notes a second and don't get there. I put Joe Bonamassa in that category. When he first hit the scene, I loved him. Now when I see him live, I walk away uninspired. I'm glad that he's carrying the torch, but he needs to slow down. Warren Haynes, on the other hand, has more soul in his playing. His Gov't Mule stuff can really get out there though. They can get on a roll and I forget what song they are even playing until they come back around. That band though, really isn't blues, or even blues rock for that matter.
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Post by rickyguitar on Feb 18, 2020 12:54:59 GMT -5
I just thought the sounded pretty good together.
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Post by NoSoapRadio on Feb 18, 2020 13:57:48 GMT -5
I've been following JB ever since I saw him in a small club before he was famous. He can go both ways -- he can sound exactly like your favorite old time bluesman, or he can sound like himself. Either way, we're better off with him than without him.
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Post by BluzLvr on Feb 18, 2020 18:04:13 GMT -5
I've been following JB ever since I saw him in a small club before he was famous. He can go both ways -- he can sound exactly like your favorite old time bluesman, or he can sound like himself. Either way, we're better off with him than without him. Me too NoSoap. I've seen him for $5 and I've seen him for $150. I'm glad there's a bluesman out there making a living. I wish he would quit buying up all the nice vintage guitars, though. Just kidding. I ain't paying that kinda $$ for those beauties. I'd still sound like me. |
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