jtheissen
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Post by jtheissen on Nov 29, 2022 12:58:54 GMT -5
Our drummer just bought a set of four for the band. Kimafun. Anyone use in ear monitors for practice and gigging? Pros/cons? Thanks.
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Post by markfromhawaii on Nov 29, 2022 14:45:52 GMT -5
I use in-ears in our church worship. Takes a bit of getting used to but I much prefer them over stage wedges. If everyone in the band uses them there is little chance of feedback. For backing tracks, I can clearly hear the track in the mix and not be, ahem, thrown off by congregation/audience clapping or singing along off-tempo. I use the Shure PSM300 system. Works well as long as you can scan a good frequency. It came with 2 receiver packs and ear-buds. The ear buds I think, only have single drivers, so the sound is okay but could be better for bass response. Most gigging musicians will say, 2 or 3 drivers is the way to go. Receivers run on two AA batteries so rechargeable batteries are recommended. I’d say batteries are good for about 3-4 hours, maybe more. At each venue, you would probably have to scan and synch to a new frequency.
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Post by gbfun on Nov 30, 2022 8:10:26 GMT -5
But does the PSM300 system work during massive volcanic eruptions ? Sure could have used that system 20 years ago ! Oh well. Now I just play in the living room. I thought that I'd point out what I discovered with AA batteries though ; they aren't all the same. Nickel hydride AA rechargeables only get to 1.3v or so when fully charged and are rated at 1.2v. Standard alkaline batteries are rated at 1.5v but could start out at 1.6v or so new. And I just tested the new Quantum alkaline batteries and they tested a little above 1.8v when new ! So there is a little extra power with the Quantums if one needs that, and alkalines generally have a longer and more stable discharge curve if that's best, and rechargeable AAs are generally weaker and shorter lasting...but they save the most money with recharging...if your device really works with rechargeables. I've found most devices do not work that well, or last as long, with rechargeables. But if rechargeable AAs are recommended, they should be gold !
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Post by Grizbear-NJ on Dec 1, 2022 11:18:47 GMT -5
Pros & Cons: In ear monitors are are interesting experience if you never worked with them before. You have to take into consideration if you are in an outdoor or indoor venue. Outdoor venues require all the help you can get; indoor venues require a certain level of fine tuning and individual attention.
There are different types and levels of earbuds, which is dependent on the sound system you are working with. Recording studios and indoor venues have a lot in common, both in advantages and problems. In general; vocals are the primary use for monitors overall. However, the more sophisticated sound systems include monitors for instrumentals as well, and that's where the issues start. It become a balancing act at that point, and your existing equipment will dictate what you need to work with, and how to adjust it.
Best vocal example: Most groups have a number of vocalists singing at one time, taking into consideration the melody and harmony lines. In general the lead vocalist needs to be dominant and the back-up vocalists need to support the lead no matter what the total number of vocalists are. Balance is key to make it work properly and not overpower the melody line..
My own personal observation is that many singers tend to suppress their singing when using ear buds; they don't give it the same effort as when they use floor monitors (wedges). It's a phenomenon you have to expect and overcome. As a drummer (and normally in the back line) I have used "non noise cancelling" ear buds so I have a handle on the vocals, but can still hear the rest of the band without use of a monitor.
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Post by Marty Small on Dec 1, 2022 21:45:17 GMT -5
I’ve used wireless IEMs for years. My entire band is on IEMs (no amps) and live drums. In fact, drums are the main reason I use IEMs. Too loud especially inside. Definitely get rechargeable batteries. Once you know you like it, spend the $$ to get custom molded multi-driver IEMs. Your ears will thank you.
Pros: 1. If used correctly, will protect your hearing. 2. No more loud wedges. 3. Consistent sound no matter where you are in the room or on stage. 4. You can have your own mix. 5. Since we all go Direct, our mix is exactly the same from gig to gig / venue to venue.
Cons: 1. If used incorrectly, can damage your hearing. 2. Difficult to gauge how you fit in the mix. 3. You definitely need a sound man you trust. 4. You will feel detached until you get used to it. 5. Your mix is directly dependent on the equipment you have. (Having the entire band on the same mix isn’t the best.) (You probably won’t hear what you need in your ears.)
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Post by Davywhizz on Dec 2, 2022 10:49:44 GMT -5
I think I tried everything over several years so our lead singer (who is also my wife) could hear herself on stage. In-ears seemed like an ideal solution, but didn't last long. In fact I don't think we got past rehearsals. At first, they would pop out whenever she flexed her jaw (which was a lot). So we got custom moulded ear pieces, which mostly stayed in place. Our sound man wanted to wrap gaffer tape round her head to be sure, but we decided against it. Then the in-ears seemed to be causing headaches. Add to that the feeling of detachment from what's going on and the difficulty of knowing what volume to sing at...so we gave up.
I still think with a lot more experimentation and perseverance there was a solution in there somewhere; in-ears clearly work well for a lot of people. The best we could do from then on was a wedge at the front, plus a little TC Electronic powered monitor which fitted onto a mic stand.
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Post by mroulier on Dec 6, 2022 11:25:56 GMT -5
I bought a Carvin system for our band. At our old paid rehearsal place we had a stereo mixer so I could push the guitars left and right. The studio we have now only has a mono board so things can get a little jumbly in mono. We stopped using it for a while because we were playing a multi-band set and knew we couldn't bring the in ears, but oddly enough, last night was the first time in 6 months I dragged it out and we used it. I prefer using it! About the only issue is that we get done with a song and the guitarists want to review some solo or another that got messed up and it starts blaring in our ears. Oh, and we can't hear the drummer when he speaks as he doesn't have a microphone (blessing in disguise?). And somehow both guitarists say they can't hear the bass, so I boosted the lower frequencies on my EQ pedal, but that didn't seem to help. I think they need more bass -heavy earbuds. We're all using Shure SE215s or 425's. I think the custom-molded earpiece inserts might help as well (I have them, they don't).
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Post by jtheissen on Dec 21, 2022 22:26:38 GMT -5
From what I have read, and our recent gig being crammed together onstage and hearing everyone along with audience reactions: I am pretty dang sure that I will not want to use them. Have not tried them at practice, and really don't want to.
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Post by jdawg on Dec 26, 2022 17:22:00 GMT -5
I used IEMs for years and absolutley hated the situations when we had to use floor wedges. If you sing, I do, there is no better way to hear yourself. Also, we mic'd everything and I could set up my owm mix in my IEMs. Kept the stage volume low and saved the stress on my ears. I will admit thst I am getting hearing aids but I worked for over 30 years around jet aircraft and testing in wind tunnels.
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Post by mikem on Jan 1, 2023 20:15:10 GMT -5
I don't use IEM's personally but I tech (provide the PA) for a band who's drummer uses hard-wired IEMS.
All he wants in his mix is his kick, sampler pad, and a little of everyone's vocals - he adjusts the overall volume. Eazy-peazy.
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Post by chucksmi on Sept 11, 2023 15:23:06 GMT -5
The good soundman advice is sage. I use them situationally. When I do, I insist on an ambient mic mixed into my monitors so I can feel less like I'm doing a studio take. It's a simple trick and makes a big difference.
Chuck
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Post by rickyguitar on Sept 13, 2023 15:50:11 GMT -5
Used them for about 10 years in a church. Very excellent. Set uour own mix, your own level. Really liked it. I never got used to singing with them. If I was singing I would take one or both out and listen to the room. Shure earpieces, but I don't recall what the controllers were.
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