chucksmi
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Post by chucksmi on Sept 27, 2023 6:56:55 GMT -5
I have to do some shows for a soul review, I need to nail the lo-fi effect the lead guitar on Have You Seen Her?
So far nothing really seems to do it. I tend to think it was played on a Coral Sitar as Chank used one from time to time, but this is live an not multi-tracked so I need to be able to do it with one guitar. I still need to cover all the other cuts so I'm toying using my A/B/Y with a cheap amp with a blown or punctured speaker ala Smashmouth. One of the other dudes says maybe throw some paper under the strings. Actually works quite well but I'm not sure it's reliable enough to use live.
Ideas?
I have a rack with two Fractals and a PODHDPro to work with as well as analog.
Chuck
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Post by Auf Kiltre on Sept 27, 2023 7:32:38 GMT -5
Hah, the first thing I thought of was wax paper under the strings, but unless you can find a secure way to anchor it with the right tension to not completely fart out that seems unfeasible. Personally I'd just run with a fuzz with volume on guitar rolled back and treble boosted. I don't know if a gate set right could capture the dampened sustain.
Anyway, thanks for the morning earworm, lol.
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Post by telebob on Sept 27, 2023 7:57:06 GMT -5
I would try a fuzz box with a half-c*cked wah wah. That would get you real close to the sound.
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Post by funkykikuchiyo on Sept 27, 2023 20:50:06 GMT -5
Yeah, sounds like an electric sitar to me.
The fast decay seems more important to me than the actual tone. Any dirty, nasal tone should be fine if you can get the right decay. Can you palm mute it and approximate it that way? Maybe find some packing foam to play with?
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Post by funkykikuchiyo on Sept 27, 2023 20:57:02 GMT -5
Also, you might want to scroll through the filters on your PodHDPro and see if any help, in tandem with some palm muting. You might come up empty, but there might be one that really jumps out.
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Post by markfromhawaii on Sept 28, 2023 3:42:21 GMT -5
If you really need to get that sound, Danelectro makes a version of the Coral. Corals seem to fetch upwards of $2 K. The Danelectro is around $800. Seems like they’re out of stock at most retailers. danelectro.com/product/sitar-resonator/ |
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Post by markfromhawaii on Sept 28, 2023 3:45:58 GMT -5
Recent video…
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chucksmi
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Post by chucksmi on Sept 28, 2023 5:22:38 GMT -5
Same sound required for Freda Payne's Band of Gold too.
I think I may make my life simple and just use a keyboard for it. The simplest solution is usually the best.
Chuck
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Post by Rick Knight on Sept 28, 2023 7:54:49 GMT -5
FWIW, EHX and Danelectro have made sitar simulator pedals. I find them interesting but have never purchased or used one.
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Post by reverendrob on Sept 28, 2023 9:51:26 GMT -5
Can't help you, I'd use the Coral electric model in my guitar synth that's spot on for anny hippie stuffs.
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Post by Leftee on Sept 28, 2023 10:04:47 GMT -5
Just my opinion - that's a really odd choice in tones for that song. But it was a hit, so what do I know?
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Post by Auf Kiltre on Sept 28, 2023 10:15:11 GMT -5
Just curious about the gig. Is it one where the performance aims for the closest replication or can you take liberties? My brother-in-law/former bandmate is in a Doors cover band and plays a Hammond with Leslies and to my ear improves some of the cheese of Manzarek's sound without compromise. I don't think the audience minds.
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Post by LeftyMeister on Sept 28, 2023 15:02:06 GMT -5
It sounds like the guitarist borrowed Norman Greenbaum's amp.
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chucksmi
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Post by chucksmi on Sept 28, 2023 15:28:01 GMT -5
Just curious about the gig. Is it one where the performance aims for the closest replication or can you take liberties? My brother-in-law/former bandmate is in a Doors cover band and plays a Hammond with Leslies and to my ear improves some of the cheese of Manzarek's sound without compromise. I don't think the audience minds. Gotta be dead balls true to the airplay version off the sheet. Vocalists are amazing, BTW. So awesome to be swimming in the mix when these iconic songs are being played. The Manhattan's stuff makes the hair stand up on the back of my neck.. This is all timing and counting. I'm really honored and humbled to be able to work off these Funk Brothers charts. Chuck |
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Post by funkykikuchiyo on Sept 30, 2023 16:08:04 GMT -5
Oooh, yeah... if you want to nail it, it won't happen with what you have. If you want to be really darn close, you'd need a low sustain tone with a nasal sound, bordering on out of phase. When I listen to the song, I can't imagine playing it with a straight guitar tone without it just sounding like I'm being annoying and playing over everyone else.
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Post by Leftee on Sept 30, 2023 16:37:18 GMT -5
Oooh, yeah... if you want to nail it, it won't happen with what you have. If you want to be really darn close, you'd need a low sustain tone with a nasal sound, bordering on out of phase. When I listen to the song, I can't imagine playing it with a straight guitar tone without it just sounding like I'm being annoying and playing over everyone else. You’ve heard me in a band. |
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Post by ninworks on Oct 4, 2023 21:43:26 GMT -5
I bought a Rogue Coral Electric Sitar copy, new, many years ago for about $500 if I remember correctly. It does THAT electric sitar thing quite well. My biggest issue with it is intonation problems. Due to the design of the Goto buzz-bridge there is no facility for adjusting it. I have had it set up by 2 different, very experienced, and excellent guitar techs and neither one could remedy the intonation. I'm curious if the original Jerry Jones Coral Electric Sitars have the same issues. I think some of my problem is that I'm too heavy handed with the picking. The lighter it's played the better it sounds. I have trouble playing adjusting to playing that lightly.
I have to be very selective about my fingerboard position and voicing choices. Truth-be-told, I have only used it on a couple recording sessions ever since I bought it back in the late 90's. The rest of the time it's in the case, in the closet.
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Post by reverendrob on Oct 5, 2023 0:57:55 GMT -5
I bought a Rogue Coral Electric Sitar copy, new, many years ago for about $500 if I remember correctly. It does THAT electric sitar thing quite well. My biggest issue with it is intonation problems. Due to the design of the Goto buzz-bridge there is no facility for adjusting it. I have had it set up by 2 different, very experienced, and excellent guitar techs and neither one could remedy the intonation. I'm curious if the original Jerry Jones Coral Electric Sitars have the same issues. I think some of my problem is that I'm too heavy handed with the picking. The lighter it's played the better it sounds. I have trouble playing adjusting to playing that lightly. I have to be very selective about my fingerboard position and voicing choices. Truth-be-told, I have only used it on a couple recording sessions ever since I bought it back in the late 90's. The rest of the time it's in the case, in the closet. The originals (only a couple) I've gotten my hands on all were intonation nightmares. They justified it by "It's INDIAN." |
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Post by chucksmi on Oct 5, 2023 5:44:11 GMT -5
Oooh, yeah... if you want to nail it, it won't happen with what you have. If you want to be really darn close, you'd need a low sustain tone with a nasal sound, bordering on out of phase. When I listen to the song, I can't imagine playing it with a straight guitar tone without it just sounding like I'm being annoying and playing over everyone else. Nope - I got it. Someone sent me a patch that is picture perfect with my old Tele. That's the beauty of modern gear! |
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