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Post by funkykikuchiyo on Oct 8, 2023 17:12:50 GMT -5
Didn't want to hijack another thread, so I thought I'd drop these videos here. Since they involve finishes that'll be of interest, and the talk about mineral oil is especially interesting since fingerboard "treatments" are usually a mineral oil base. Fingerboard oils get marketed as "nourish and project" or "hydrating", but they're really just finishes. You can't nourish it, it isn't a living tree anymore. And, you aren't "hydrating", because you're applying an oil, not raising the moisture content.
I've definitely noticed the ill effects of extra goopy fingerboard treatments (perhaps applied too liberally) on guitars when they seem perpetually sticky, and in some extreme cases, make gluing frets in very difficult or knocks inlays loose.
Anyway, food for thought. In recent years, I've found the woodworking world to be more useful than the guitar world for getting extra insights on this stuff, since the guitar people often just regurgitate stuff.
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Post by Leftee on Oct 8, 2023 18:44:24 GMT -5
I’ve been swimming in this pool, lately, since Woodcraft and Klingspors found my wallet.
And the cutting board avenue is interesting.
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Post by DrKev on Oct 9, 2023 4:51:31 GMT -5
In recent years, I've found the woodworking world to be more useful than the guitar world for getting extra insights on this stuff, since the guitar people often just regurgitate stuff.
Ain't that the truth! Very useful video and a cool channel too. Thanks for sharing, Funky! |
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Post by funkykikuchiyo on Oct 9, 2023 20:42:45 GMT -5
In recent years, I've found the woodworking world to be more useful than the guitar world for getting extra insights on this stuff, since the guitar people often just regurgitate stuff.
Ain't that the truth! Very useful video and a cool channel too. Thanks for sharing, Funky! Yeah, I like him. He isn't too influencer-y. I found him because he's 1/3rd of a good woodworking podcast WoodTalk.
I think the funniest divide between the guitar world and the woodworking world has to be hide glue. Tests in woodworking magazines consistently show liquid hide glue out performing hot hide glue, and neither being as good as regular ol' Titebond. But, ask guitar snobs at Gruhn's or other places, they'll tell you liquid hide glue is an embarrassment, Titebond is a cop out, and hot hide glue is almost as strong as epoxy.
Whenever high end manufacturers decide to get crazy and do hide glue for bridges, we find ourselves doing a lot more reglues, but I can't tell what kind they're using. I'm inclined to side with the woodworkers on that.
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Post by LTB on Oct 12, 2023 11:08:15 GMT -5
Very informative Funky. Thanks! I always use Titebond glue. Never tried Hide glues though
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Post by sirWheat on Oct 12, 2023 17:27:11 GMT -5
Well, I make my money as a woodworker and use Titebond almost exclusively with occasional needs for epoxy and CA. No reason to explore anything else, the point is to not have it ever come apart. As for guitar-making, the only advantage I can see in hide glue is ease of disassembly and clean-up. Haven't ever used the stuff but given the shorter work-time I don't see the need.
As for finishes, I'm for anything that doesn't require a spray booth or respirator. Yep, love the look of nitro (along with it's easy repairability) but it's nasty stuff and bad for the world. Will be trying a french polish sometime in the future.
Anyone happen to see any of Ken Parker's "Archtoppery" videos? One thing he's doing is using epoxy as a finish, rubbing it in with paper towels. Laborious but looks quite nice and I'm sure you can tint it if you want to.
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Post by funkykikuchiyo on Oct 14, 2023 10:39:11 GMT -5
Yeah, spray booth stuff is either do it right or don't do it at all. You need good enough of a spray set up that you aren't doing drop fills and all sorts of other nonsense after. Plus, modern lacquer forumlations are soooo gummy and I'm not sure why. I know there was a push to get lacquer that wouldn't check (guitar nerds love it, but most of the guitar market sees it as a defect and angrily calls custumer support), and for some reason a lot of people in the factory prefer it. I don't know why... they don't like harder lacquer because it is harder to go up the grits, but the gummier stuff plugs paper and sort of mushes around. Then they're pushed out of the factory so fast that you get post cure and haze once it hits the dealer/consumer.
I'd be curious to see someone try some of the really expensive hand applied woodworking finishes like Osmo or Rubio Monocoat. A lot of hand applied finishes leave instruments with a "home made" vibe, and I think that's the biggest obstacle. Maybe one of those is tough enough to have a better look.
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