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Post by cedarchoper58 on Nov 8, 2023 18:01:03 GMT -5
If you're just needing an attenuator, I think the Ironman II is one of the best. Here's a Sweetwater demo that shows the ins and outs. edit: Scroll down for the video. linkthe iron man like a lot of attenuators have click down levels of attenuation so its one level or the other. The ua has smooth turn dual volumes so you can dial it in exact to what you need
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Post by zenland on Nov 8, 2023 20:25:01 GMT -5
"the iron man like a lot of attenuators have click down levels of attenuation so its one level or the other." Yes, the dial does click. But where the Range switch is set, Lo or Hi and the Solo switch set to off will give you different amounts of attenuation. The attenuation knob points to those 3 different sets numbers to choose from with each click. I've seen numerous videos on attenuators and simulators. The one that made the most sense to me said, "get what works for you"! I'll post that link. It's a bit long but, good imho. Part 5/5
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Post by ninworks on Nov 9, 2023 7:02:06 GMT -5
That's a great video resource. Thanks for that.
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Post by cedarchoper58 on Nov 9, 2023 11:06:19 GMT -5
"the iron man like a lot of attenuators have click down levels of attenuation so its one level or the other." Yes, the dial does click. But where the Range switch is set, Lo or Hi and the Solo switch set to off will give you different amounts of attenuation. The attenuation knob points to those 3 different sets numbers to choose from with each click. I've seen numerous videos on attenuators and simulators. The one that made the most sense to me said, "get what works for you"! I'll post that link. It's a bit long but, good imho. Part 5/5again its a step down attenuator not a smooth turn volume knob like the uA. it also sounds complicated compaired to the ua where you just turn a dial. my ua is super tranparent also
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Post by ninworks on Nov 9, 2023 12:24:24 GMT -5
I ordered an Ox Box from Reverb. It seemed to be the one most suited to what I'll be using it for.
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Post by Auf Kiltre on Nov 15, 2023 9:48:25 GMT -5
Late to the party but toward the end of my gigging days I bought a DRRI. The only tweaking I did to the amp was clipping the bright cap because that was the thing at the time and I obeyed.😁
Call me crazy, but I loved the amp, stock speaker and all. Maybe that one was just "magical" but it was probably one of my favorite amps. When I moved I opted to keep my Princeton Reverb II and sold the DRRI. Regret, but it (as well as the rest of my amps) was too much for home use.
I can understand the amp not being liked for what it but seriously can't see how it would be under powered for any club gig. I used it from small clubs to hall parties to outdoor events and it had enough power to spare.
One amp I've lusted after is a Vintage Sound Vintage 15, kind of a hybrid of a Princeton Reverb but with a 12" speaker. I played a used one at a store (then called Hayes Amps) and it was super cool. If I ever returned to gigging I'd seriously consider one.
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Post by Auf Kiltre on Nov 15, 2023 10:07:54 GMT -5
Regarding Twins and power attenuators, I gigged a Silverface Twin with an Altair power attenuator for many years in the early days. But that stretch was punk clubs in the Detroit area, using a Les Paul. I seem to recall treble always being on 10 and probably contributed to my tinnitus. 😜
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Post by funkykikuchiyo on Nov 15, 2023 11:01:48 GMT -5
Late to the party but toward the end of my gigging days I bought a DRRI. The only tweaking I did to the amp was clipping the bright cap because that was the thing at the time and I obeyed.😁 Call me crazy, but I loved the amp, stock speaker and all. Maybe that one was just "magical" but it was probably one of my favorite amps. When I moved I opted to keep my Princeton Reverb II and sold the DRRI. Regret, but it (as well as the rest of my amps) was too much for home use. I can understand the amp not being liked for what it but seriously can't see how it would be under powered for any club gig. I used it from small clubs to hall parties to outdoor events and it had enough power to spare. One amp I've lusted after is a Vintage Sound Vintage 15, kind of a hybrid of a Princeton Reverb but with a 12" speaker. I played a used one at a store (then called Hayes Amps) and it was super cool. If I ever returned to gigging I'd seriously consider one. Which speaker did yours have?
Mine with the C12K was okay... just not my taste. I don't like tone with so many highs and lows that my EQ feels like a battle. It had so much bass it sounded like they were going for a Mesa vibe, and the highs were soooo piercing. The C12N ones sounded good, with the bright cap clipped it was probably pretty sweet.
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Post by Auf Kiltre on Nov 15, 2023 11:41:27 GMT -5
I don't recall, but it was whichever Jensen they were putting in those amps in the early 2000's.
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Post by Seldom Seen on Nov 16, 2023 15:46:40 GMT -5
I don't recall, but it was whichever Jensen they were putting in those amps in the early 2000's. My early 2000 DRRI (since sold) came stock with an Eminence speaker but I can’t remember which one. I switched out speakers on that amp many times just searching for the magic cone but ended up with a Celestion Gold as the final speaker.
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Post by Auf Kiltre on Nov 16, 2023 16:07:03 GMT -5
I'm fairly certain mine had a Jensen, not an Emi.
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Post by funkykikuchiyo on Nov 18, 2023 10:43:28 GMT -5
I'm fairly certain mine had a Jensen, not an Emi. I remember circa 2002 that they had the Jensen C12N, so my money is on that. I remember liking how that sounded. The C12K didn't come until quite a bit later.
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Post by Seldom Seen on Nov 18, 2023 12:13:12 GMT -5
It may have been a very late 90s DRRI but definitely OEM Eminence.
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Post by cedarchoper58 on Nov 18, 2023 13:44:37 GMT -5
I ordered an Ox Box from Reverb. It seemed to be the one most suited to what I'll be using it for. let us know how it sounds
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Post by funkykikuchiyo on Nov 18, 2023 14:28:51 GMT -5
It may have been a very late 90s DRRI but definitely OEM Eminence. If memory serves me right, the switch from Eminence to Jensen was fairly recent when I saw it around 2002, so you're probably both right.
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Post by langford on Nov 19, 2023 14:19:06 GMT -5
The Quilter sounds excellent at low volumes. It's all baked into the design. That's been my experience, too.
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Post by pcalu on Nov 26, 2023 21:43:09 GMT -5
Deluxe Reverbs are a great amps. Yet, Never had any gas for one since I got a HRDeluxe back in 2016 in a trade. Took it to my tech and him mod it and go over it, shoring up anything that looked suspect. Dropped a Eminence Legend GB128 (not a fan of Britsh speakers, but this imo sounds half American, so it totally works for me) The amp has been extremely versatile in all venues. I have a mod'ed BJr (not the Billm mods) that is also extremely versatile.
Both those amps are very practical for todays venues. Both those amps have got the lions share of gigs/practice sessions.
That said: I have a BF'ed 75 Silverface Twin, a BF'ed 73 Pro Reverb and 69 Baseman AB165. and all of them sound divine. You really can beat the American Big bottle 6L6GC sound. The more you crank them, the better they sound. Seems if you like the sound of those type of amps cranked, getting an attenuator is a must. In my neck of the woods, people still play loud.. especially under beer tents. For me, the P.A.s don't quite get it done. With all the ambient noise in an open air environment, following the band through a can,,, is not what I like. I like to hear myself, and a stout amp is what I've done for decades.
I wouldn't sell the TR.. they sound good at any volume, just put off buying another amp till you have saved up the need coin.
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Post by rickyguitar on Nov 27, 2023 1:01:45 GMT -5
Deluxe, c12n.
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Post by Ricketi on Nov 27, 2023 14:11:06 GMT -5
My DRRI I bought new in 2007 came with a c12k
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Post by LTB on Nov 29, 2023 14:48:26 GMT -5
I prefer 6L6’s to 6V6’s. Also like some EL84 amps too.
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Post by ninworks on Dec 1, 2023 18:18:19 GMT -5
I finally got all the cables made that I would need to hook up the Ox Box. I plugged it in today and the sound of both the Twin and the AC15 is wonderful. I have never been in a situation where I could dime the Twin and stay in the same room with it. I applied similar tone control settings as I would use on a smaller Fender amp. Treble all the way up(ish), bass and mid controls all the way down. WHAT a sound. Very nice indeed!
The AC15 sounds very good as well. Just different. It's going to take me awhile to dial everything in to optimum but I think I'm going to love it. The speaker emulations through the line outputs are going to be a Godsend when recording. I'm stoked!
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Post by reverendrob on Dec 2, 2023 11:37:05 GMT -5
I finally got all the cables made that I would need to hook up the Ox Box. I plugged it in today and the sound of both the Twin and the AC15 is wonderful. I have never been in a situation where I could dime the Twin and stay in the same room with it. I applied similar tone control settings as I would use on a smaller Fender amp. Treble all the way up(ish), bass and mid controls all the way down. WHAT a sound. Very nice indeed! The AC15 sounds very good as well. Just different. It's going to take me awhile to dial everything in to optimum but I think I'm going to love it. The speaker emulations through the line outputs are going to be a Godsend when recording. I'm stoked! Twin all the way up is a marvelous ugly. Basically "everything maxed" except verb and trem (obviously) is the classic "instant Sex Pistols" grind. If I'd known it was "that" easy a couple decades ago, I'd be deaf.
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Post by ninworks on Dec 2, 2023 15:25:23 GMT -5
Yeah, I was really surprised how nasty it got. I never had the courage to turn it all the way up in the same room. The closest I ever got was 7 on the dial. That was ridiculously loud. I only stood in front of it long enough to dial in a sound. Then the door on the ISO booth was closed and I went into the studio's control room to play the part while recording it.
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Post by reverendrob on Dec 2, 2023 15:37:58 GMT -5
Yeah, I was really surprised how nasty it got. I never had the courage to turn it all the way up in the same room. The closest I ever got was 7 on the dial. That was ridiculously loud. I only stood in front of it long enough to dial in a sound. Then the door on the ISO booth was closed and I went into the studio's control room to play the part while recording it. Yea, I have my HRD in another room mic'd when I turn it all the way up. IT's amazing at that point but I don't want to be without sond dampening between me and it.
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Post by chucksmi on Dec 4, 2023 9:16:55 GMT -5
You know, a much simpler and cheaper solution is to just use a baffle. You get the "real" sound of your amp and it tames the throw. When I use combo I almost always use a baffle and mic it.
Just sayin'.
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Post by ninworks on Dec 4, 2023 10:01:44 GMT -5
You know, a much simpler and cheaper solution is to just use a baffle. You get the "real" sound of your amp and it tames the throw. When I use combo I almost always use a baffle and mic it. Just sayin'. Been there, done that.... more times than I can count, years ago and also recently. In order to use a baffle in my studio room with the amps at that SPL they would need to be completely enclosed and the baffles would have to be substantial and heavy. I don't have a place to store something like that. Then you get that boxy sound from the small space inside the enclosed baffle. I can put a speaker or amp in the rather large walk-in closet in another room on the other side of the house and mic it up when recording to isolate it. That works well but it's a holy PITA to do because I can't leave it set up. I can't have multiple cables running through the hallways all the time and I don't have a place in the closet large enough to store the amps and or speaker cabs in there. It takes too long to move the amp(s), move in something to set the amps on to get them up off the floor (they sound better that way when recording), get mic stands moved in, run the long mic cables, run the 75 foot long speaker cable(s), get the mikes set, get a sound on the amp(s) or speakers, go into the studio to see how it sounds through the system, go back across the house and move the mikes a little or change them out, go back and listen through the studio monitors again, then either record the track(s) or make more adjustments (almost always), and then take it all apart, wind up all the cables, move the amp(s) or speaker cabs and hardware, then put it all away so I still have a living space and the wife is happy. The IR response speaker cabinet emulator that's built in to the Ox Box is a much more reasonable option. I really enjoy recording real amps turned up loud but it's all too often not an option for me because I want to stay married.
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Post by Leftee on Dec 4, 2023 11:05:17 GMT -5
I've been thinking about building an ISO cabinet so I can enjoy my amps, at home, run they way they're meant to be. That might be a good holiday project.
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Post by cedarchoper58 on Dec 5, 2023 11:22:50 GMT -5
glad it sounds great watch the power tubes they will go quicker
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Post by chucksmi on Dec 6, 2023 6:52:01 GMT -5
You know, a much simpler and cheaper solution is to just use a baffle. You get the "real" sound of your amp and it tames the throw. When I use combo I almost always use a baffle and mic it. Just sayin'. Been there, done that.... Yeah, that's what I use the Fractals for. It's not uncommon for me to record the dry signal and then re-amp it in production. The rack makes that a cinch. I'll also bounce the dry signal to multiple channels and layer amp sounds. I haven't done a live amp recording take in many, many years. There's no need for it anymore. Chuck
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Post by pdf64 on Dec 6, 2023 7:35:59 GMT -5
I've been thinking about building an ISO cabinet so I can enjoy my amps, at home, run they way they're meant to be. That might be a good holiday project. Yeah, per se speakers get hot, >90% of the amp’s power output gets dumped as heat, nevermind valve combo amps. Separate head and speaker cabs are the way to go if you’re planning this, so for any valve combos, consider building them first.
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