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Post by Ragtop on Nov 25, 2023 8:02:01 GMT -5
There is a nice Martin 00-28VS for sale for a decent price not too far from me. As you probably know, that would be a small-bodied guitar in rosewood/sitka with a 12-fret neck and a slothead.
I'm trying to resist, but I love these little things. I've had at least 6 or 7 of them in various brands, including 3 Eastmans. But I never seem to keep them too long, and end up selling to buy a dreadnought, usually.
And, yes, changing the strings on a slothead can be a PIA. I usually end up bleeding a bit.
They are something of a one-trick pony. They sound terrific finger-picked, but kind of boxy flat-picked. My opinion, of course. Excellent couch guitars.
How about yourself? Like 'em or not interested?
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Post by funkykikuchiyo on Nov 25, 2023 10:35:26 GMT -5
Not my favorite, but a lot of people like them. Martin does a better job with smaller bodies than other brands, too. Other brands do deeper bodies and things like mahogany tops which make them even more boxy. I think because I tend to play an acoustic more like an electric, guitars that sound a bit more squishy don't work as well for me, and that's true of 12-fret guitars in general. What is squishy to my ears is warm and charming for others, and really well suited for milder singer/songwriter stuff. If I bought a 12-fret steel string that would probably be the one as it is probably better balanced.
Stringing tips: -pre-clip your strings. You still need to get a bit of string on the other side of the hole because it will slip a bit, and it isn't a big deal to go in and clip an excess of 1/4" or so if you leave too much, but getting most of it off up front helps. -First wrap on the opposite side of the post of where you want the rest of the wraps. Doesn't do TOO much, but a nice lock. -String order should go from the ones closest to the nut outwards. For example: Low E, A, D, then high E, B and G. Same for any slotted peghead. -Don't hook the string, if that's a thing you do. I normally do, but skip it on steel string slotted pegheads. Not worth the hassle. -When removing strings, clip them somewhere in the middle. This loosens them up a lot and lets you unwrap it a bit, which you can't really do as well with a whole string, and definitely can't do if the ball ends are still in the bridge. -Power winders are appreciated more with these.
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Post by Ragtop on Nov 25, 2023 13:36:07 GMT -5
Yep, I agree with all those tips, for the most part. Especially the last one, a power winder helps immensely.
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Post by Harleyboy on Nov 28, 2023 12:47:58 GMT -5
I love slot heads. I've had several over the years, never had aa bad one. Sold several I should have kept.Recently bought a Collings 001-T, best guitar I have ever played. Fantastic sound for such a small guitar.
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Post by sirWheat on Nov 28, 2023 18:40:12 GMT -5
Well they surely look nice and alleviate the need to come up with an original head-stock shape. Nobody loves stringin' 'em.
I have not played a ton of 12-fret guitars and the only one I own is a dobro, but I find them very comfortable to play, presumably due to the ergonomics that result from designing such a guitar. I guess I don't know; maybe the body is just longer up there in order to join the neck at the 12th. Whatever the case, I do enjoy the subtle constraint involved in playing one; those two less available frets force me to forget about the upper registers and concentrate on playing acoustic guitar, not rock and roll.
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Post by Ragtop on Dec 1, 2023 22:46:14 GMT -5
I have an Eastman OM that I got not too long ago. It's a fine guitar, sounds great.
But it's not quite what I was after. That would be a smaller guitar, probably an 00 of some kind. Twelve frets and a slothead would be great.
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Post by rickyguitar on Dec 2, 2023 11:19:38 GMT -5
I have never played a 12 fret or a slot head. Advantages? I do play up high even on acoustic so there's that.
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Post by funkykikuchiyo on Dec 2, 2023 11:44:21 GMT -5
The slot head probably impacts tone, but it is hard to say how because it is rarely a design choice made in isolation, and only along with other things... like making it a 12-fret.
12-fret is less about the length of the neck (though that isn't unimportant) and more that the body shape changes. You have more air cavity in the guitar because it is going up further. Ervin Somogyi has pointed out that on a 14-fret the bridge is half way between the transverse brace and the tail block, while it is off center on a 12-fret; as the neck is buried further into the body, so the bridge has to move back. On a classical (which are almost always 12-fret) the bridge bisects the space between the tailblock and the lower transverse.
To the people who love it, they are warmer, deeper, rounder. To people who don't like it, it is indistinct and tubby.
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Post by Ragtop on Dec 3, 2023 7:13:52 GMT -5
Harleyboy, I can only imagine how spectacular that 001-T must be. Doesn't get much better, for sure.
I have a Collings CJ, and it is the best guitar I've ever owned. They know what they're doing down there in Austin.
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Post by Harleyboy on Dec 4, 2023 15:43:23 GMT -5
After playing the Collings for 2 days, I decided to sell 6 other guitars. Knew I didn't have time for them anymore, just kept my Martin 0018 and the Collings plus one little Cordoba C9 Nylon that seems to follow me around the house
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Post by Ragtop on Dec 6, 2023 5:36:09 GMT -5
Harleyboy, I'm down to 3 myself. No Martins, though. I need to sell the Eastman and find something like a 00-18V.
Three is a good number for me these days. I have no plans to play out anymore.
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Post by jeffscott on Dec 9, 2023 2:59:25 GMT -5
To the people who love it, they are warmer, deeper, rounder. To people who don't like it, it is indistinct and tubby. My Yamamoto Talus VS-12 (paulownia top/cocobolo b&s) would very quickly dispel the notion of indistinct and tubby sounding.
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Post by Opie on Dec 15, 2023 14:51:31 GMT -5
Of the three finger picker's dream I've run across in my life the one thing in common was a slotted peg and 12th fret join. Unfortunately never had the scratch available at the time.
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Post by Bopper on Jan 5, 2024 10:32:33 GMT -5
Here's a recent arrival at Elderly Instruments.
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Post by jeffscott on Jan 6, 2024 2:29:25 GMT -5
Here's a recent arrival at Elderly Instruments.
That price doesn't seem too bad.
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Post by Ragtop on Jan 6, 2024 5:38:38 GMT -5
Oh, man, what I wouldn't give to spend a couple hours with that old Martin!
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Post by leftrightout on Jan 11, 2024 4:46:33 GMT -5
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Not a rosewood but a hog 00 12 fret on the right and a D35 on the left
they both do what they do well and i enjoy playing both
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Post by Harleyboy on Jan 11, 2024 12:30:06 GMT -5
That Martin at Ederlys would be a nice way to spend an afternoon.
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Post by Ragtop on Jan 17, 2024 4:38:58 GMT -5
Nice pair of geetars, lro!
Is that little one a Collings? Can't quite tell.
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Post by leftrightout on Jan 17, 2024 13:56:00 GMT -5
Nice pair of geetars, lro! Is that little one a Collings? Can't quite tell. No its a Larrivee 00-50
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Post by Lesterstrat on Apr 13, 2024 22:33:22 GMT -5
Wow, it's been a long time since I played one. It's not that I don't like them. It's just that they're always pretty far down the priority list. And, the slot head part doesn't bother me. If I like the way an instrument plays and sounds, I'll figure out the rest, lol.
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Post by HeavyDuty on Apr 15, 2024 6:32:37 GMT -5
I wanted a 000-15S back when they were available new, but never did it - in large part due to restringing fears. I do love the sound of a hog 12 fret.
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Post by Ragtop on Apr 17, 2024 5:36:53 GMT -5
I wanted a 000-15S back when they were available new, but never did it - in large part due to restringing fears. I do love the sound of a hog 12 fret. Two tricks to restringing a 12-fretter. 1) Use a powered string winder. Mine is an Ernie Ball, not expensive, works great. 2) On the two E strings, the string goes through the hole in the tuner and then you wrap to the outside. On the other four, wrap to the inside. The strings stay out of each other's way that way.
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