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Post by Rick Knight on Jan 16, 2024 9:34:52 GMT -5
How long did it take you to adapt; or decide it wasn’t going to happen?
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Post by reverendrob on Jan 16, 2024 12:35:33 GMT -5
I wasn't ever enamored enough of a five string to switch - I did get a Bass VI (but it's E to E, so wasn't much adjustment).
All I can think is the experience of playing a seven string guitar (with the low B, since the original 'E to insanely high seventh string' breaks strings every time you breathe funny).
What it did was open up new things to pop out when improvising since the 'same ol' gave something different.
For playing "like a six string" I don't ever use it for that - it exists to BE something different.
If I wanted a five string bass it'd be the same thing.
But the Bass VI and the alternate tunings on the guitar snyth attached io it have killed any five or "lower' six string bass dreams for me.
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Post by themaestro on Jan 16, 2024 16:33:29 GMT -5
I don't know if or where you anchor your thumb on a 4-string, but what really helped me get used to a 5 was to anchor my thumb on the 5th string. This put my plucking finger pretty much in the correct position for playing the top 4 strings. When you do need to play the 5th string, lift your thumb, play the 5th string. Go back to resting your thumb on the 5th string when you move away from it.
This not only gives you a somewhat familiar feel, but also mutes that 5th string, tends to vibrate sympathetically with the least little provocation.
Some people say to completely get away from playing a 4 until you get used to the 5. I didn't do that. I switched back and forth while learning and now switch back and forth all the time without issues.
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Post by jeffscott on Jan 16, 2024 19:33:42 GMT -5
Not too long, really. In 1987 I decided to try a 5-string bass after seeing the band The Fents at Donte's in North Hollyweird. I went to Westwood Music and tried the very few that were around at the time and bought a Yamaha BX-5, for something a bit different from what I had been playing since 1971 - a headless.
Since that time, I have had a few different 5-string basses (three Zons, two fretless and one fretted, and currently, two Martin Keith Elfin 5s, a fretted and a fretless). I also have a few 4-string basses; no issues switching back and forth. It just takes practice to get used to the added string on a 5-string.
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Post by HeavyDuty on Jan 17, 2024 21:02:25 GMT -5
I’m 99% five string and have been so for over a decade. It didn’t take long for me to adapt, but I also don’t switch back and forth.
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Post by LTB on Jan 19, 2024 18:53:27 GMT -5
I anchor my thumb on the 5th string which puts my fingers on the correct strings for most of my playing and lift thumb to play the 5th string when needed.
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Post by funkykikuchiyo on Jan 20, 2024 12:23:52 GMT -5
Playing a 5-string years ago is what broke me of the habit of being a thumb wrapper, something I learned on guitar in my early days of playing. Classical guitarists do this, too. Shoulder is more relaxed, elbow down, the wrist straightens a bit. When we start with an instrument we're looking for brute strength to get those notes/chords clean, so sometimes we're too tense through the arm. It took me a while to adapt because I got weird pains in my wrist and had to figure it out by trial and error. Had I known going in it probably wouldn't have taken as long. I was still in my teens, so it may have been easier to break the habits than it would be for someone else.
Finding my way around the fingerboard took a bit of time, but not long. It felt weird to have a "middle" string, and I was used to the low string on any instrument being the E, and would occasionally grab the wrong string for a given note.
Most people who give up on 5-string find it isn't useful for them, rather than having playability issues. For some it is a shiny object and it turns out they don't need it. For others, it is a godsend if you want more flexibility for different key signatures. That is where I found it most useful... I was playing with capo junkies, and was finding it limiting to come up with good lines in Ab, Bb, Eb, etc.
I can't say I've talked to many (if any) people who had one and had to get rid of it because it was hard to play... the "hard to play" people are usually the ones who pick it up in a music store and say "no thanks" before logging any hours with it.
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Post by LTB on Jan 20, 2024 12:56:06 GMT -5
There are some songs 5 strings make things easier but for most part I prefer 4 strings. It does allow you to play things in lower registers.
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Post by Laker on Jan 20, 2024 14:19:30 GMT -5
I made the mistake of taking a five-string on a gig without spending any serious time with it and only did that once. I was singing “Love Her Madly” by the Doors and suddenly find myself playing it in Em rather than Am because I forgot about that B string as I’m concentrating on the lyrics. It was a real awkward moment.
I spent a good week of constant practice after that to really acclimate myself to the fiver. I haven’t really played my four string basses since then for the last 35 years. I prefer the five because I can play a three octave range without a lot of hand movement.
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Post by LTB on Jan 21, 2024 6:39:23 GMT -5
I made the mistake of taking a five-string on a gig without spending any serious time with it and only did that once. I was singing “Love Her Madly” by the Doors and suddenly find myself playing it in Em rather than Am because I forgot about that B string as I’m concentrating on the lyrics. It was a real awkward moment. I spent a good week of constant practice after that to really acclimate myself to the fiver. I haven’t really played my four string basses since then for the last 35 years. I prefer the five because I can play a three octave range without a lot of hand movement. Love her madly is a fun song to play but I do it on a 4 string and don’t sing. That is really cool to be able to sing and play
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Post by Rick Knight on Jan 21, 2024 7:02:38 GMT -5
I can't say I've talked to many (if any) people who had one and had to get rid of it because it was hard to play... the "hard to play" people are usually the ones who pick it up in a music store and say "no thanks" before logging any hours with it. I don't find it difficult to play and, as you said, it does seem to naturally require better left hand positioning than a 4 string. I'm just finding the process of consistently playing the right string frustratingly slow. Will try some of the advice in other posts.
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Post by jeffscott on Jan 21, 2024 16:28:14 GMT -5
I can't say I've talked to many (if any) people who had one and had to get rid of it because it was hard to play... the "hard to play" people are usually the ones who pick it up in a music store and say "no thanks" before logging any hours with it. I don't find it difficult to play and, as you said, it does seem to naturally require better left hand positioning than a 4 string. I'm just finding the process of consistently playing the right string frustratingly slow. Will try some of the advice in other posts. You'll get there. As the the right string thing to pluck: use both eyes on the bass.
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Post by stevedallman on Jan 22, 2024 8:04:41 GMT -5
In the 80's, I had a Hipshot D tuner on my bass. I played mostly at church those days, but I played at least 3 times a week, plus in a couple Christian bands. When I found myself leaving the D-tuner in D most of the time, I decided it was time to try a 5.
In 1990 I bought a used Washburn 5. It took about 3 weeks to become accustomed to it, but I loved it. That was the end of playing 4's for me, except for my upright, or giving lessons.
Now 34 years later, all my basses are 5's except for my uprights. I have no interest in playing a 4. I struggle with arthritis in my hands, and have adjusted my playing positions and style to compensate. I have one short scale 5 (Ibanez Mikro) for when stretching my fingers is just too painful) but still, no 4's.
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Post by Laker on Jan 22, 2024 8:56:08 GMT -5
In the 80's, I had a Hipshot D tuner on my bass. I played mostly at church those days, but I played at least 3 times a week, plus in a couple Christian bands. When I found myself leaving the D-tuner in D most of the time, I decided it was time to try a 5. What got me into a five string was playing the song “We Built This City” back in ‘85. When that song came up in our playlist I had to drop the E to D to do an accurate cover of the song and it was a pain in the butt playing in that tuning configuration. Oddly enough, by the time I purchased my first fiver, an MM Stingray 5 in ‘88, we no longer played the song. The bass that got me interested in a fiver was the Nathan East Yamaha, but after trying one and not liking the feel of it, it took a couple of years to find a five-string that I was comfortable with. Try instruments by a few different makers to find one that gives you that playing comfort. That Stingray 5 was close to a Fender and the only bass I played until ‘99 when Dan Lakin sent my 55-94 Lakland to me to “try for the weekend”. That has been the only bass I’ve consistently played ever since. A big difference between the MM and the Lakland is the string spacing at the bridge. The Lakland is close to that of a Fender P while the MM has the strings a bit closer together. Just another thought on getting used to a five-string.
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Post by morrow on Feb 2, 2024 15:08:43 GMT -5
I’ve had two five strings , got accustomed to the B string and decided I prefer fours.
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Post by LTB on Feb 4, 2024 19:38:42 GMT -5
I do not have problem playing my 5 string but like you morrow prefer 4 strings also.
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Post by Laker on Feb 8, 2024 15:35:36 GMT -5
Rick Knight, any update on getting into the comfort zone with your five string? For me, I think, it was a week or so of intense practice to create that “muscle-memory” to begin playing with assurance and awareness of having a string below the E on my bass.
I have played my fivers so much over the last 35 years that I always have a slight moment of hesitation to rethink my orientation on the bass before playing a traditional EADG four string. A classic moment of that occurred for me around 20 years ago.
I was running the Key West Poker Run on my Harley and stopped into Jimmy Buffett’s Margaritaville to enjoy alcoholic beverages and to catch the band of a Chicago performer I thought I might have played with back around 1970 (it wasn’t). When they were getting into their second set (much alcohol had been consumed by me) the leader of the band called me up to sit in on his bass player’s four string. I had that “ice water poured down the neck” moment as I grabbed that bass and thought, “wow, I haven’t touched one of these in many, many years”.
We got through the set OK.
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