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Post by cedarchoper58 on Feb 11, 2024 17:54:00 GMT -5
guitar-wha-tube screamer-tuner-amp
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guitar-wha-tuner-tube screamer-amp
what are your opinions on which and why thanks very much
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Post by Rick Knight on Feb 15, 2024 8:41:12 GMT -5
tuner, wah, screamer
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Post by Auf Kiltre on Feb 15, 2024 10:44:43 GMT -5
I've always put the tuner first on my pedalboard. I know there's some logic about having a pedal act as a buffer somewhere in a chain, but that's a pretty short chain. Honestly, with that few pedals involved I'd just play around with the order and see if I could land on a preference. If I couldn't hear a difference then I run with the one that offered the most logic when standing over it on stage.
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Post by reverendrob on Feb 15, 2024 13:16:46 GMT -5
I've always put the tuner first on my pedalboard. I know there's some logic about having a pedal act as a buffer somewhere in a chain, but that's a pretty short chain. Honestly, with that few pedals involved I'd just play around with the order and see if I could land on a preference. If I couldn't hear a difference then I run with the one that offered the most logic when standing over it on stage. Tuner first - gain will add overtones, and the wah will...too. The tuner gets thrown off by wonky crap before it too. There's a reason they're always first or nigh first. But with a 3 variable pedal arrangement, it would take less time to..test it than it did for me to type it! |
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Post by pdf64 on Feb 15, 2024 18:35:44 GMT -5
Patching a buffer (ie most tuners) between guitar and a vintage wha (and / or fuzz) would seem to be a retrograde move. As those pedals interact beneficially with the impedance of the guitar.
Obviously then need to avoid using the tuner with the wha engaged.
So being as the user has to tale that into account, they can presumably also avoid using the tuner if the tube screamer was engaged, as per the first option.
So given that, I think either of the arrangements in post 1 would be fine.
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Post by reverendrob on Feb 15, 2024 18:54:38 GMT -5
Patching a buffer (ie most tuners) between guitar and a vintage wha (and / or fuzz) would seem to be a retrograde move. As those pedals interact beneficially with the impedance of the guitar. Obviously then need to avoid using the tuner with the wha engaged. So being as the user has to tale that into account, they can presumably also avoid using the tuner if the tube screamer was engaged, as per the first option. So given that, I think either of the arrangements in post 1 would be fine. Since no fuzz, not an issue. I've had vintage 847s - providing you're using a decent buffer (i.e. NOT the old garbage DOD ones etc) it didn't mind. Now, noise from a power supply - that is an issue. They have a tendency to get ..complainy. Although if it was an issue, I'd just get a tuner with true bypass or put it in a loop of its own before the rest on an A/B. |
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Post by Pinetree on Feb 15, 2024 21:46:49 GMT -5
Just take the time to plug them all in and see what works for you.
Me, I use tuner, compression, screamer, chorus, delay, and another (stereo) chorus into two amps.. and if I need a Wah (or a UniVibe), I'll plug it in before everything and remove it when the song is over.
Also, it's customary to use question marks when asking a question.
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Post by reverendrob on Feb 15, 2024 22:20:50 GMT -5
Also, it's customary to use question marks when asking a question. ? |
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Post by pdf64 on Feb 16, 2024 13:01:35 GMT -5
… I've had vintage 847s - providing you're using a decent buffer (i.e. NOT the old garbage DOD ones etc) it didn't mind. Sorry, I should’ve explained the issue, which is that the buffer prevents the wha’s lowish input impedance from taming the treble from the guitar. With the treble tamed, some users find the ‘toe down’ wha setting more acceptable than the buffered ‘toe down’, which can seem overly screechy trebly. Most whas built since the 80s include a built in input buffer, so patching another buffer between guitar and wha won’t affect the tone. If it’s got 2 transistors on the pcb, one will be an input buffer. My finding is that it’s fairly simple and beneficial to eliminate the input buffer and fit a DPDT switch to implement true bypass switching. |
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Post by reverendrob on Feb 16, 2024 14:49:20 GMT -5
… I've had vintage 847s - providing you're using a decent buffer (i.e. NOT the old garbage DOD ones etc) it didn't mind. Sorry, I should’ve explained the issue, which is that the buffer prevents the wha’s lowish input impedance from taming the treble from the guitar. With the treble tamed, some users find the ‘toe down’ wha setting more acceptable than the buffered ‘toe down’, which can seem overly screechy trebly. Most whas built since the 80s include a built in input buffer, so patching another buffer between guitar and wha won’t affect the tone. If it’s got 2 transistors on the pcb, one will be an input buffer. My finding is that it’s fairly simple and beneficial to eliminate the input buffer and fit a DPDT switch to implement true bypass switching. Yea, I'm talking vintage vinyl bag Voxes here.  |
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Post by Auf Kiltre on Feb 16, 2024 15:11:52 GMT -5
The other factor is what kind of tuner is in the chain, no? Are we talking something like a Polytune that's buffered or something else?
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Post by reverendrob on Feb 16, 2024 15:31:24 GMT -5
The other factor is what kind of tuner is in the chain, no? Are we talking something like a Polytune that's buffered or something else? Almost all of them are buffered - gotta look for non-buffered ones |
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Post by cedarchoper58 on Feb 16, 2024 17:54:22 GMT -5
… I've had vintage 847s - providing you're using a decent buffer (i.e. NOT the old garbage DOD ones etc) it didn't mind. Sorry, I should’ve explained the issue, which is that the buffer prevents the wha’s lowish input impedance from taming the treble from the guitar. With the treble tamed, some users find the ‘toe down’ wha setting more acceptable than the buffered ‘toe down’, which can seem overly screechy trebly. Most whas built since the 80s include a built in input buffer, so patching another buffer between guitar and wha won’t affect the tone. If it’s got 2 transistors on the pcb, one will be an input buffer. My finding is that it’s fairly simple and beneficial to eliminate the input buffer and fit a DPDT switch to implement true bypass switching. thanks for the techincle help but what would it do to the sound to put the tunner before the wha thks |
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Post by reverendrob on Feb 16, 2024 18:07:33 GMT -5
You have it in ..front of you. Plug it in. LIsten. It may do ..nothing.
It may be the best sound that Hendrix rises from the grave upon hearing!
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Post by Pinetree on Feb 16, 2024 18:18:24 GMT -5
Did Jimi have input buffers?
No he did not.
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Post by Leftee on Feb 16, 2024 18:21:11 GMT -5
Jimi was unbuffered.
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Post by cedarchoper58 on Feb 16, 2024 18:44:57 GMT -5
and Jimi sounded great
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Post by Leftee on Feb 16, 2024 19:18:32 GMT -5
He didn’t even have a pedal tuner.
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Post by reverendrob on Feb 16, 2024 19:40:12 GMT -5
Did Jimi have input buffers? No he did not. He'd have played a guitar synth if they'd existed! |
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Post by Leftee on Feb 16, 2024 19:52:14 GMT -5
Buffered ones
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Post by Auf Kiltre on Feb 16, 2024 19:57:25 GMT -5
Jimi coulda used a tuner. Just sayin'.
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Post by reverendrob on Feb 16, 2024 23:09:08 GMT -5
I'm unaware of a guitar synth that uses or cares about impedance, given the hex pickups. |
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Post by LeftyMeister on Feb 17, 2024 8:12:53 GMT -5
Jimi coulda used a tuner. Just sayin'. You beat me to it. lol! The other factor is what kind of tuner is in the chain, no? Are we talking something like a Polytune that's buffered or something else? My volume pedal has an aux out so the PolyTune is outside of the chain. The same thing can be accomplished with a splitter. |
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Post by reverendrob on Feb 17, 2024 9:24:25 GMT -5
The other factor is what kind of tuner is in the chain, no? Are we talking something like a Polytune that's buffered or something else? My volume pedal has an aux out so the PolyTune is outside of the chain. The same thing can be accomplished with a splitter. All my sensitive to impedance pedals are in a Boss ES-8 switcher. It has...a tuner out. |
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Post by Leftee on Feb 17, 2024 9:46:30 GMT -5
I found my old pitch pipe from when I started to play guitar. That’s a way-back memory.
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Post by Auf Kiltre on Feb 17, 2024 9:55:40 GMT -5
I found my old pitch pipe from when I started to play guitar. That’s a way-back memory. Hah, I came across an E tuning fork the other day. |
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Post by Leftee on Feb 17, 2024 9:59:47 GMT -5
Tuning forks are muy groovy!
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Post by Auf Kiltre on Feb 17, 2024 10:11:04 GMT -5
Tap harmonic, tap tuning fork and hold it up to bridge pickup, tune to taste.
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Post by cedarchoper58 on Feb 17, 2024 11:24:11 GMT -5
i still got a tunning fork |
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Post by Auf Kiltre on Feb 17, 2024 11:32:30 GMT -5
I recall getting mine after I bought a new 77(?) LP Custom. My bandmate coerced me into getting one. He had a real 50's LP!
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