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Post by windmill on Feb 14, 2024 15:52:20 GMT -5
Nowadays there seems to be a movie based on every book ever written
I have been pondering this recently and am interested to the thoughts of others about this question.
There are pros and cons for both.
What do you think ?
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Post by gato on Feb 14, 2024 17:04:40 GMT -5
I've gone both ways on this. I'm often disappointed with a movie based on a book I've already read, simply because the screenplay has only 90 minutes or so to tell the tale, so some important stuff gets left out.
On the other hand, seeing the movie before I read the book, I have some handy references for the appearance of the characters on the pages. I don't have to rely on the author's description.
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Post by Leftee on Feb 14, 2024 17:07:34 GMT -5
If I’ve read the book, then watched the movie, I mostly find that a letdown. If I’ve played the story (from the book) in my mind, the movie disappoints.
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Post by Ragpicker on Feb 14, 2024 20:00:48 GMT -5
I think the only books being made into movies are Marvel comic books. A book will always have a more complete vision and detail that cant be expressed in cinema. Book first improves my comprehension.
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Post by rickyguitar on Feb 14, 2024 20:21:06 GMT -5
If I read the book 1st the movie tends to be a disappointment. The reverse us nit always true.
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Post by Taildragger on Feb 14, 2024 22:45:45 GMT -5
I know that not everyone here enjoyed the Michael Connelly "Bosche" books and/or the TV series based on them, but I liked both. I had already read all the books then written by the time the first season of the series premiered. One thing I especially liked about how the series was put together was the fact that the seasons are cobbled together from various elements of different books, with some events even being changed drastically. The net effect of that is that reading the books first doesn't constitute a "spoiler" for watching the series. Yet, because the author is very involved in the production of the series, it somehow "remains true" to the books, despite the above-mentioned changes. If I read the book 1st the movie tends to be a disappointment. For me, a prime contradiction of that is the movie "The Big Sleep" (1946) based on Raymond Chandler's crime novel of the same name. In addition to being a really well-made, well-acted movie, the film version "corrected" what I considered to be the biggest flaw of the novel: an "over-explanation" of the loose plot threads at the very end. The film left all that up in the air for the viewer to figure out for themselves. Another crime/mystery movie that ruined itself in a similar way during its closing 5 minutes was "Lone Star" (1996). It was almost insulting. I was all in til the very end, only to walk out of the theater shaking my head and thinking, "what the hell did they do that for?"
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Post by reverendrob on Feb 15, 2024 0:17:07 GMT -5
Almost always the book is better.
Even "Full Metal Jacket" - is RADICALLY Better in the boo, even if the boot camp act is word for word from the book.
The rest of it isn't, and it's SO much meaner and ..right..in "The Short-Timers."
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Post by larryguitar54 on Feb 15, 2024 4:49:23 GMT -5
I don't know but I prefer they stay away from classics. I can't think of "The Great Gatsby' without seeing Robert Redford or "The Iliad" without Brad Pitt in my face.
On the other hand The Godfather and Gone with the Wind were not great books and better as movies.
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Post by reverendrob on Feb 15, 2024 7:09:23 GMT -5
I don't know but I prefer they stay away from classics. I can't think of "The Great Gatsby' without seeing Robert Redford or "The Iliad" without Brad Pitt in my face. On the other hand The Godfather and Gone with the Wind were not great books and better as movies. The thing is if they don't TRY they can't possibly achieve anything. I just won't watch pablum, but I understand why they might try to make it (assuming they're gunning for art, versus a pure cash-grab).
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Post by Leftee on Feb 15, 2024 10:56:02 GMT -5
I suppose I can't call myself bookish these days. I just don't read for pleasure any more. I used to be quite bookish until @14 years ago. When the separation/divorce was in the throes of deepest anguish, I just stopped reading (books). I've never gone back. 🤔
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Post by slacker 🐨 on Feb 15, 2024 11:07:25 GMT -5
For me it depends on the complexity of the story. Some books have so much going on that, when they try to make it a movie, you feel lost most of the time. If you've read the book, it fills in some additional details that they simply couldn't realistically add to the film.
Others bastardize the story so badly that you walk away angry that they butchered it like that.
In general, I prefer to read a book without having seen the movie simply because I like to experience the book without any pre-conceived notions. Reading a book is a pretty big investment in time, I want it fresh and unspoiled. A movie is a couple hours of getaway time for me. I don't treat them with the same level of commitment and I generally spend less time thinking about them. I like my movies to be semi-mindless time to take it easy and immerse myself in another world.
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Post by Seldom Seen on Feb 15, 2024 11:07:34 GMT -5
I prefer to read the book first. However, that doesn’t stop me from seeing the movie first because, although I’m a mad reader in retirement, my reading and viewing tastes are not entirely aligned.
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Post by funkykikuchiyo on Feb 15, 2024 11:41:04 GMT -5
When The Great Gatsby movie came out it was still a book I was yet to read, so I rushed to read it first because I wanted to experience it in that order. I was amazed how faithful they tried to make the movie, and while I felt the book was superior, it made me like the movie more by reading the book first. Most movie adaptations aren't trying to be loving tributes to the books, though.
The Godfather is an interesting case. Puzo is fundamentally a good writer... great ideas, knows how to build a story, lots of practical, real world knowledge to draw on... but by his own admission, The Godfather was him throwing a bunch of stuff in there to try to sell books because he lost interest in being a starving artist. When it got picked up by Paramount, it was going to be a quick cash grab with some celebrities on a popular novel, with little thought about trying to make anything artistic. Coppola got hired, and felt the story had a lot of potential, but it required hyper-focusing on the good parts and knowing how not to fall into the pitfalls for the schlocky stuff. He wanted his own actors who weren't stars... Al Pacino and John Cazale were unknowns, Brando was considered a wash-up, at best a relic of a previous era. The studio kept their choice with James Caan, and I always wonder how it would've turned out if he was cast differently. Caan played a great Sonny, but is dramatically different to the book version... GF3's Andy Garcia is actually much closer to the original Sonny. To appreciate the story the most you kinda need both, because the backstories and character development is too deep for the movies. The movies become more interesting when you have more information, like who the Don's long time consigliere Genco Abbandando was, or about Sonny's mistress. Johnny Fontane's backstory is pretty cool too, as it is about taking Italian heritage and selling it out to Hollywood - in the book he's contrasted with his mandolin playing friend who remains more traditional, but never has commercial success.
Kubrick's MO was never to faithfully adapt a book. He adapted books because he felt like that he tried and failed to write original screenplays, and did his best work adapting other things. I've always been under the impression that he never thought Stephen King was a particularly good writer or that The Shining was a good book... he just saw something there he could use to make a movie.
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Post by slacker 🐨 on Feb 15, 2024 13:36:36 GMT -5
Strangely enough, I've never seen the Godfather movies. Bits and pieces if I stumbled across on on TV and had a few minutes to kill, but not even close to enough to add up to the whole movie for any of them.
I should probably do that one of these days
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Post by Laker on Feb 15, 2024 15:46:12 GMT -5
I like reading the book first because I visualize the story in my mind as I’m reading and I prefer to not have that corrupted by seeing the movie first. Two books I didn’t do that with were Dracula and Frankenstein since I was seeing those old movies on campy horror shows from the time I was in grade school. The books each blow away their respective movies.
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Post by reverendrob on Feb 15, 2024 18:57:32 GMT -5
Kubrick's MO was never to faithfully adapt a book. He adapted books because he felt like that he tried and failed to write original screenplays, and did his best work adapting other things. I've always been under the impression that he never thought Stephen King was a particularly good writer or that The Shining was a good book... he just saw something there he could use to make a movie. For FMJ, there's no way he could have gotten less than an NC-17, if that, if he'd done an authentico 2nd and 3rd act. Alice, whose errors were so cool they were correct, and his collection of ...trophies, etc.... Yea, not gonna fly.
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Post by rickyguitar on Feb 15, 2024 18:59:01 GMT -5
Reading a book is a pretty big investment in time
True dat
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Post by oldnjplayer on Feb 15, 2024 20:39:14 GMT -5
Ive gone both ways. I read Dune then saw the movies. I saw the Spencer for Hire TV show first then read every book I could.
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Post by Rick Knight on Feb 15, 2024 21:01:02 GMT -5
Book first. A lot of movie adaptations are so bad that if I saw it first, I probably wouldn't read the book.
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Post by roly on Feb 17, 2024 7:17:51 GMT -5
book first for me.
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Post by tahitijack on Feb 17, 2024 13:03:08 GMT -5
I read a lot. Most of the books I read would make great movies but even best sellers don't make it to the big screen...Midnight Library...is one. For me books offer more in the way of details than film. I read Boys In The Boat a long time ago. While the movie was very good it left our or merged story lines to fit a few hours of the film. If I see a mo I it doesn't motivate me to read the book.
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Post by windmill on Feb 17, 2024 19:56:26 GMT -5
Thanks for all the responses.
In answer to the question posed, either way you know how the story ends.
The question was prompted by recently watching a movie based on a well known novel, that I had heard of but never read.
Brideshead Revisted by Evelyn Waugh.
The interest in the movie was due to the publicity and high regard for a TV series based on the book made in the 1980's that I didn't get round to watching at the time. Apparently it is one of the best adaptations of a book for TV ever made. ( It was 11 hours long, an audio "book" reading was 11 hours 10 minutes long, so it was probably faithful to the story.)
Of course the movie must have cut and compressed the story to fit into 2 hours.
The movie "got me in" and kept my interest to the end.
Afterwards, I thought about reading the book. But I decided against it as the subject matter doesn't hold much interest to me.
It was the way the actors portrayed their characters in the film which caught my interest, as much as the story, and the characters in the story may be different.
In this case, the movie may spoil the book.
Anyway, has any one seen the film or the TV series or ......even read the book !
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Post by michael on Feb 18, 2024 9:33:34 GMT -5
book first..... movie? meh.... i'm not much of a movie person but for ME, i've not seen a movie that is as good as the book. they can't afford to do it all. i know others disagree and that's ok.
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Post by Taildragger on Mar 9, 2024 13:44:18 GMT -5
Somebody gave me a copy of (the book) "Killers of the Flower Moon". I've been avoiding the recent movie because I want to finish reading the book first.
Boy, after just 3 chapters, I can already see that this book is not likely to "restore my faith in humanity"...
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Post by BigBadJohn on Mar 9, 2024 15:39:34 GMT -5
Movie based on book: doesn't matter too much
Book based on movie: I don't bother
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Post by slacker 🐨 on Mar 11, 2024 12:30:17 GMT -5
Movie based on book: doesn't matter too much Book based on movie: I don't bother A book based on a movie? That's a thing? Boy, I sure wouldn't expect much from that.
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Post by gbfun on Mar 16, 2024 1:53:32 GMT -5
I prefer watching a show...THEN reading the book(s) and then sometimes watching the show again (Expanse). Priceless fun !
Currently, reading Game of Thrones books after watching the series I didn't quite follow. The books are WAAY better !
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