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Post by LTB on Apr 2, 2024 22:33:21 GMT -5
For those of us who liked Band of Brothers I am on the 2nd Episode of “Masters of the Air”. WWII about flying the B17 Flying Fortress directed by Steven Spielburg on Apple TV. So far it is very good.
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Post by LTB on Apr 2, 2024 22:48:40 GMT -5
It let me watch the 1st episode free then I was hooked and signed up for Apple TV
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Post by Taildragger on Apr 2, 2024 23:12:45 GMT -5
I looked at bits and pieces of it on YouTube.
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Post by LeftyMeister on Apr 3, 2024 11:26:24 GMT -5
It was a really good series and well done. Band of Brothers is still one of my favorites.
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Post by Leftee on Apr 3, 2024 11:40:27 GMT -5
I’ll watch this series when I can. I’ve seen snippets on utoob and it looks excellent.
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Post by LTB on Apr 3, 2024 13:21:47 GMT -5
The first episode is more about making of the characters. After that it is all about the missions etc.
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Post by Leftee on Apr 3, 2024 14:39:58 GMT -5
I recently upgraded my phone, so I snagged my three month trial of AppleTV.
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Post by bluzcat on Apr 3, 2024 20:44:04 GMT -5
My wife and I really enjoyed this series. It was very well done.
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Post by Taildragger on Apr 3, 2024 21:47:00 GMT -5
I did a B-17 walk-through a few years ago at an air show. I built a scale model of one when I was 10 or 12 years old and was left with the impression that it was a huge aircraft, a notion that was largely dispelled by the walk-through.
What struck me was how cramped the accommodations were for everybody except the navigator/radioman. All priority was given to bombs, defensive armament (+ammo for same) and fuel. Creature comforts were an afterthought, if they were given any thought at all.
Those bombing missions had to be utterly terrifying, especially before long-range fighters were available to escort the bombers all the way to the target and back. Before the escorts came ion line, I think that the average life expectancy of bomber crews was only 5 or 6 missions. And pity the poor belly ball turret gunners...Lord: they could get trapped in there if the right parts of the plane got too shot up, in which case they were SOL if the crew had to bail out or the plane had to belly land.
In addition to 7.92 machine guns, the ME-109 and FW-190 attackers were armed with 20mm or 30mm cannon firing HE ammo. According to what I've read, far more of the bombers were downed by fighters than by FLAK.
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Post by kfay on Apr 4, 2024 7:29:34 GMT -5
The book was excellent.
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Post by LTB on Apr 4, 2024 17:16:02 GMT -5
I thought the same Taildragger until at an Air Show in Dallas after Desert Storm. One was parked next to an F-111 and it was just about as long but mostly engine.
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Post by Taildragger on Apr 4, 2024 23:28:57 GMT -5
This is the B-17 I walked through:
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Post by Ragtop on Apr 5, 2024 6:01:26 GMT -5
I took a ride on a B-17 for my 60th birthday. Thirty minutes, and got to walk around inside the plane during the flight.
She was the Nine-O-Nine, built late in the war. She's gone now, crashed a few years ago, killing all eight souls on board.
They look large while on the ground, as Taildragger mentioned, but there is not much space on board. And it's an aluminum frame with an aluminum skin, a tin can with four engines attached.
The men that went up in those planes during the war had testicles the size of grapefruits. And it was, IMO, the weapon that won the war for the Allies.
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Post by Leftee on Apr 5, 2024 6:33:50 GMT -5
I’ve binged through e:5 thus far. What is incredibly impactful to me is the slo-mo scenes of aerial combat. The absolute chaos and carnage!
Over the years I’ve read a lot of books chronically the air war over Europe. This series really connects my reading in a visceral way.
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Post by Taildragger on Apr 5, 2024 10:02:27 GMT -5
There are less than a dozen still now flying.
The crew numbered 10.
13,000 B-17s were produced from 1936 to 1945. 8,000 of them were lost in combat.
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Post by RufusTeleStrat on Apr 5, 2024 10:21:12 GMT -5
Funny statistic, is the B-24 they built 18,188 and lost about 6000 during the war. It was faster and could carry a larger bomb load, but was purported to be difficult to fly and had a lower altitude with a full load.
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Post by Taildragger on Apr 5, 2024 10:42:54 GMT -5
Funny statistic, is the B-24 they built 18,188 and lost about 6000 during the war. It was faster and could carry a larger bomb load, but was purported to be difficult to fly and had a lower altitude with a full load. I read somewhere (maybe the book, "Unbroken") that, due to the high wing root placement, B-24s sank very quickly when ditched, which gave the crew (especially any who were injured) little time to escape.
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Post by Leftee on Apr 5, 2024 11:15:57 GMT -5
The Liberator was not the plane that the Fort was.
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Post by LTB on Apr 5, 2024 15:11:05 GMT -5
I finished the series. Binge watched! I enjoyed this series especially the tribute at the end featuring the real men talking about it.
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