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Post by HeavyDuty on Apr 24, 2024 7:57:32 GMT -5
At my place of work we have a “no tolerance” policy for guests having firearms. Bringing one on property is NOT illegal, but as a private business we have the option to forbid firearms. Guest has 2 options: #1 is turn it over to us and pick it up when they leave property. #2 leave property with the firearm. Putting it in their car (on our property) is not an option. If they have a problem with either of those completely legal options and they cause a fuss we will “trespass” them. At that point they are in violation of the “trespass” law and can be legally removed from our property and will be no longer welcome at our place of business in the future. And this is why I will never give your property my business. When I rent a hotel room, it is my temporary residence. Other states address this by forbidding a hotel owner to prohibit guests from carrying to and from their room.
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Post by K4 on Apr 24, 2024 8:27:11 GMT -5
unloaded in case with TSA lock, I've flown with a pistol several times. Place it on top in the suitcase, walk to the ticket counter tell the pretty lady I have a firearm to declare. She will then ask me to open the suitcase, she will toss a TSA paper on top of the pistol, them have me sign a waver, I then close the suitcase and the airline and TSA do their thing. When I arrive my bag comes down the turnstile like everyone else's. I hit the restroom and the piece goes back into my holster. Larry, all due respect to your hotel, concealed means you will never see it. Not sure about Nevada, (if I were to visit I would look up the actual law) in Ky if a business has a no firearms sign,( I usually will avoid doing business there) but if I do enter there is no crime until I'm told to leave and then refuse. So as long as I leave if asked, no harm no foul.
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Post by Auf Kiltre on Apr 24, 2024 9:44:58 GMT -5
Texas has this statute. If the sign is properly displayed at any establishment and a concealed weapons permit holder enters they are in violation and subject to prosecution.
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Post by HeavyDuty on Apr 24, 2024 17:15:59 GMT -5
People here in TX look at me like I’m crazy when I tell them NH was much less restrictive than here when it comes to firearms. They all think New England = Mass type laws.
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Post by HeavyDuty on Apr 24, 2024 17:17:08 GMT -5
Not sure about Nevada, (if I were to visit I would look up the actual law) in Ky if a business has a no firearms sign,( I usually will avoid doing business there) but if I do enter there is no crime until I'm told to leave and then refuse. So as long as I leave if asked, no harm no foul. Same as NH.
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Post by Larry Madsen on Apr 24, 2024 17:52:35 GMT -5
Larry, all due respect to your hotel, concealed means you will never see it. Seems easy enough doesn't it. It's not entirely that simple though. if I do enter there is no crime until I'm told to leave and then refuse. So as long as I leave if asked, no harm no foul. Yes, exactly as I described. What I stated is the policy at virtually all major hotel/casino properties. As some have stated, probably a good reason to not come to Vegas. It isn't for everyone.
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Post by HeavyDuty on Apr 25, 2024 6:39:01 GMT -5
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Post by Auf Kiltre on Apr 25, 2024 7:48:24 GMT -5
When it comes to guns and casinos this story from the turn of the century has stuck with me. Motor City Casino
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Post by HeavyDuty on Apr 25, 2024 15:54:03 GMT -5
I can see wanting to keep weapons off the gaming floor, but the hotel is just a hotel.
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Post by Lesterstrat on Apr 25, 2024 17:43:19 GMT -5
There are lots of businesses around here that have no firearms, or weapons, signs on their doors. I’ve never asked (I very rarely carry), but would assume it probably has to do with perceived liability.
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Post by Larry Madsen on Apr 25, 2024 18:33:01 GMT -5
I can see wanting to keep weapons off the gaming floor, but the hotel is just a hotel. Not certain I can, but I'll try to create some clarity. To assume this is plausible one would need to first come to grips with the fact that these Resorts are very intertwined. It isn't like the Hotel is here and the Casino is across the street. The distance between the Hotel elevator bay and the Casino floor is about 3 paces. Food, entertainment, show, bar, night club, shopping and hotel/guest operations venues are scattered all around the Casino. The guests that "enjoy" this environment generally stay in our Hotel tower. Levels of intoxication and irrational behavior run very high at times. I'll add, I'm not implying all irrational behavior is violent or dangerous in the moment. Keeping deadly force out of this environment seems like a pretty good idea to me. It isn't only about the guests; we have about 12,000 employees. Several thousand of them are on property at any given time. I don't know if any of that makes sense, but that's a cursory perspective on the environment.
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Post by Mfitz804 on Apr 25, 2024 19:21:07 GMT -5
^ I have to imagine the combination of inebriation and the possibility of losing one’s shirt at the tables are not a combination that management thinks will always work well together.
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Post by K4 on Apr 25, 2024 22:09:19 GMT -5
I have to imagine the combination of inebriation and the possibility of losing one’s shirt at the tables are not a combination that management thinks will always work well together. When carrying one should never become inebriated. Personally I won't even drink one beer if I am carrying. But yea with all the drunks around and my state of disability I want to be armed, and will be. If I do a bad job of concealing I deserve to be asked to leave, which I will without any grief. That said I have been carrying concealed for 20 some years and never had anyone call me out. Well I will take that back, I did have a Detroit cop spot me when I was working a detail. I stopped using that conceal position after she pointed it out.
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Post by Larry Madsen on Apr 25, 2024 22:16:30 GMT -5
When carrying one should never become inebriated. As I would expect for both you and myself. But yea with all the drunks around This policy preference keeps those drunks from having firearms on property.
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Post by Mfitz804 on Apr 26, 2024 17:15:24 GMT -5
I have to imagine the combination of inebriation and the possibility of losing one’s shirt at the tables are not a combination that management thinks will always work well together. When carrying one should never become inebriated. Personally I won't even drink one beer if I am carrying. But yea with all the drunks around and my state of disability I want to be armed, and will be. If I do a bad job of concealing I deserve to be asked to leave, which I will without any grief. That said I have been carrying concealed for 20 some years and never had anyone call me out. Well I will take that back, I did have a Detroit cop spot me when I was working a detail. I stopped using that conceal position after she pointed it out. You’re forgetting the obvious. You’re responsible. Many people are not. Especially on a night out in Vegas, from what I hear. Nobody should drive drunk, either. Does that mean it doesn’t happen? Obviously not.
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Post by RufusTeleStrat on Apr 26, 2024 21:23:33 GMT -5
I like to think that we here are considerably more responsible than the general public. Just saying
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Post by Mfitz804 on Apr 27, 2024 7:18:35 GMT -5
I like to think that we here are considerably more responsible than the general public. Just saying I would trust 99% of the gun owners here to carry without an issue. But you can’t make rules based on the people who you know will do the right thing. It’s the others that you have to worry about and, generally speaking, who ruin the party for everyone else.
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Post by Leftee on Apr 27, 2024 7:55:01 GMT -5
^ truth ^
It’s always about the lowest common denominator.
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Post by reverendrob on Apr 27, 2024 8:38:44 GMT -5
I like to think that we here are considerably more responsible than the general public. Just saying I would trust 99% of the gun owners here to carry without an issue. But you can’t make rules based on the people who you know will do the right thing. It’s the others that you have to worry about and, generally speaking, who ruin the party for everyone else. I learned to carry ..discretely...following the Heinlein rule during the Chicago total ban. “I am free, no matter what rules surround me. If I find them tolerable, I tolerate them; if I find them too obnoxious, I break them. I am free because I know that I alone am morally responsible for everything I do.”I'm a simple man though - ignore the requirements TO carry, and instead crack down HARD on misuse and stupidity.
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Post by Mfitz804 on Apr 27, 2024 12:27:24 GMT -5
I would trust 99% of the gun owners here to carry without an issue. But you can’t make rules based on the people who you know will do the right thing. It’s the others that you have to worry about and, generally speaking, who ruin the party for everyone else. I'm a simple man though - ignore the requirements TO carry, and instead crack down HARD on misuse and stupidity. From a legal perspective, I would tend to agree. However, were I a business owner, I’m not waiting for something bad to happen if I can merely put rules in place that would avoid the issue altogether. That is, of course, the prerogative of a business owner, and the potential patron can decide whether or not they wish to be a patron.
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Post by reverendrob on Apr 28, 2024 0:38:24 GMT -5
I ignore the signs if it's somewhere I need to go.
I don't patronize them if it's 'optional.'
Heinlein strikes again!
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Post by LTB on Apr 28, 2024 7:56:25 GMT -5
I have a license to carry permit and about a year ago I went into a Lowe’s and a manager was talking to a customer, my weapon was inside my coat, my hands were in my coat pockets to warm them up. The manager immediately stared me down so I went right over to him and asked where an item was located. That seemed to disarm the situation an he returned to talking to the customer. It is a shame people have to worry about crime.
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Post by slacker 🐨 on Apr 30, 2024 13:21:18 GMT -5
All things being equal, I'd rather be in a place that allows concealed carry than one that forbids it. The reason is pretty simple. Most people that carry aren't a threat and they offer potential protection if a threat does present itself.
This coming from someone who has a permit, but virtually never carries.
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Post by K4 on Apr 30, 2024 14:17:52 GMT -5
All things being equal, I'd rather be in a place that allows concealed carry than one that forbids it. The nut jobs see the no carry sign and know no one has any way to defend themself.
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Post by Leftee on Apr 30, 2024 14:34:54 GMT -5
The nut jobs never think about any one carrying. Deterrence is not part of their thought process.
Hence - nut jobs.
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Post by reverendrob on Apr 30, 2024 23:41:43 GMT -5
The nut jobs never think about any one carrying. Deterrence is not part of their thought process. Hence - nut jobs. Some nutjobs pick softer targets. The protected class school shooter confused about their gender choose a location ...that wasn't as defended.
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Post by Leftee on May 1, 2024 7:39:14 GMT -5
Good point, Rob.
My larger point is that we can't always (and probably shouldn't) ascribe rational thinking to nut jobs.
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Post by reverendrob on May 1, 2024 10:48:05 GMT -5
Good point, Rob. My larger point is that we can't always (and probably shouldn't) ascribe rational thinking to nut jobs. Can't really predict the unpredictable is the thing. But what I can predict is that in an unarmed victim zone, I've got two choices: be an unarmed victim or ...be a criminal. I grew up during the 'total gun ban' Chicago days. I will never go back to that.
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Post by Lesterstrat on May 1, 2024 10:52:38 GMT -5
Good point, Rob. My larger point is that we can't always (and probably shouldn't) ascribe rational thinking to nut jobs. Can't really predict the unpredictable is the thing. But what I can predict is that in an unarmed victim zone, I've got two choices: be an unarmed victim or ...be a criminal. I grew up during the 'total gun ban' Chicago days. I will never go back to that. Just look what happened to English Bob when he gave up his pistola!
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