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Post by LesTele on Mar 7, 2020 18:03:54 GMT -5
I have a pair of Edirol (a Roland sub-brand) powered monitors that will be at least ten years old. I was never able to monitor at high sound levels - neighbours! My daughter is using them at the moment and I wasn’t so impressed with them that I would want them back.
I’m looking to replace them with a reasonably priced pair of powered monitors that will be used at low volume but will be better than headphones alone.
Any suggestions? I’ll be using them for demos, nothing serious.
Reasonably priced means less than £200.
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Post by rickyguitar on Mar 7, 2020 23:10:21 GMT -5
I need a new pair also, so i will be interested in recommendations as well. I have a small pair if Mackey that I already mentioned in the great customer service thread, but want a bigger dog this next time. Wood woof.
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Post by NoSoapRadio on Mar 8, 2020 12:24:54 GMT -5
For Christmas, my dad bought my mom a component CD changer to replace her boombox style machine that went belly up. On Christmas Eve, he called me up looking for instructions on how to make it work -- he figured you could just plug some old speakers into it and push play. It was too late to do anything for Christmas but I went to Amazon to see what they had and came up with these:
They showed up on the day after Christmas and I set them up for them. I wasn't expecting much -- I was just hoping they would work. I was actually surprised that they sounded pretty good for the price. Anyway -- they make several models that are presumably higher quality -- maybe worth a look.
I use Hafler M5s and a separate Hafler power amp -- but if I had to replace them, I'd probably go with a pair of these:
They are supposedly an updated and powered version of the Yamaha NS-10 that has probably been in every recording studio in America. They are a bit above your budget (assuming your 200 pounds is for each speaker -- otherwise, it's way over. Sorry)
Good luck
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Post by LesTele on Mar 8, 2020 13:58:16 GMT -5
NSR
Thanks for taking the time to respond. The Yamahas are a wee bit spendy for me. It would be worth my while going for industry standard monitors if I could crank them up.
In my apartment, I need to be mindful of my neighbours. Domestic powered speakers may be the way to go.
Thanks again.
Edit The smaller Yamaha HS 5s are within budget. Does anyone have any experience of them?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2020 12:57:17 GMT -5
Watching this too as I'm looking at the HS 5 as well.
I've been told the NS 10s were as unforgiving as it gets. So, if you could work magic there you'd be well on your way to sounding decent elsewhere. Being a perfectionist (and a glutton for punishment) the HS 5 seems right up my alley.
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Post by Larry Madsen on Mar 9, 2020 13:02:49 GMT -5
I can not speak specifically to the HS-5, but I did do comparisons on 8" monitors. The Yamaha HS-8 was head and shoulders above any other comparably priced monitor in the 8" size. They were at the top of what I considered my price range, so I waited until I could find the extra $$$ to make the purchase. Very happy with them. I'm running them with my PC via a Focusrite 18i8 interface.
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Post by LesTele on Mar 13, 2020 16:29:32 GMT -5
Picking up a pair of HS5 monitors tomorrow. Will report back.
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Post by NoSoapRadio on Mar 14, 2020 17:48:38 GMT -5
I'm interested in your assessment.
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Post by LesTele on Mar 15, 2020 12:23:04 GMT -5
I'm interested in your assessment. The first challenge I’m facing is the placement of the speakers. I mentioned my concern for neighbours but due to space restrictions the monitors will be very close to wall/corner. Lot’s of tweaking will be necessary. I looked at the instructions (not very manly) but you can tweak them. I can report that the monitors are sturdy and loud. I’m going to listen to some familiar music and then do some tweaking. I then need to record and mix. I’ll keep updating.
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Post by NoSoapRadio on Mar 15, 2020 12:43:26 GMT -5
What are you using for a preamp? -- I assume you have a mixer of some sort.
I expect you know this, but studio monitors are designed to work well in a nearfield environment. My monitors are no more than three feet from my ear holes.
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Post by LesTele on Mar 15, 2020 12:44:00 GMT -5
Still not wonderful with posting hosted images. The monitors are white.
I hope to have a photo of Barry doing some mixing. After the tweaking.
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Post by LesTele on Mar 15, 2020 12:57:35 GMT -5
What are you using for a preamp? -- I assume you have a mixer of some sort. I expect you know this, but studio monitors are designed to work well in a nearfield environment. My monitors are no more than three feet from my ear holes. I read the instructions and they had all sorts of rubbish about distances from walls, corners etc. No pre-amp. No mixer. I'll be using a MacBook Pro, a Focusrite interface and the monitors. My lugs will be within 3 feet. Look up 'lugs'. It may be a peculiarly Scottish word. You may wish to use it in future to confuse and confound.
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Post by Larry Madsen on Mar 15, 2020 13:08:16 GMT -5
Mine sit about 7.5 feet apart pointed toward each other, with the computer and interface centered in the corner there. When I am doing something there are the work station the speakers are straight at me and about 3 feet to each side. There is certainly a "sweet spot" when listening. This is a fairly large room, a bit over 300 sq. feet, so there is plenty of space for the sound to go. They sound pretty good out in the room, but that sweet spot is indeed sweet. PIC of my set-up. DSC_2059 by Larry Madsen, on Flickr
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Post by NoSoapRadio on Mar 15, 2020 13:20:12 GMT -5
For some reason I knew that you Scots call ears lugs -- probably from watching so many whisky reviews.
I'm not very familiar with the Focusrite product but I assume it has a decent DAC. I only ask about the preamp because having to use the speaker's control to adjust the volume is a pain in the ass -- much better to have something right on your desk. But it appears you have it covered.
Good luck. I hope they work out well.
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Post by LesTele on Mar 15, 2020 13:41:22 GMT -5
I will report back as I break them in and get familiar. The Focusrite interface has a big volume control knob.
I’m glad that ‘lugs’ are a recognised thing.I must say that if Scotch is involved, it should not be anywhere near your lugs. If it is, that probably explains why you’re not drunk!
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Post by LesTele on Mar 15, 2020 13:51:45 GMT -5
Mine sit about 7.5 feet apart pointed toward each other, with the computer and interface centered in the corner there. When I am doing something there are the work station the speakers are straight at me and about 3" to each side. There is certainly a "sweet spot" when listening. This is a fairly large room, a bit over 300 sq. feet, so there is plenty of space for the sound to go. They sound pretty good out in the room, but that sweet spot is indeed sweet. Thanks for the input. I’m unfortunately working with a smaller space. The good news is that I think the space is workable and I have shiny, new monitors to experiment with and plenty of time to find my sweet spot.
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Post by LesTele on Mar 15, 2020 14:41:45 GMT -5
Current placement
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Post by Larry Madsen on Mar 15, 2020 16:19:28 GMT -5
Current placement Looks good to me. Might even try some elevation, simple coffee can under each one
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Post by NoSoapRadio on Mar 15, 2020 16:23:26 GMT -5
I would get the speakers off the desk and elevate them to get the tweeters to at or a bit above ear level. It doesn't have to be fancy -- just knock a few pieces of wood together to get them up in the air a bit.
Edit: -- Sorry, Larry beat me to it.
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Post by LesTele on Mar 15, 2020 16:34:04 GMT -5
I know that at the very least there should be some foam for isolation.
Knocking some pieces of wood together - I’m a klutz- not going to happen.
Thanks for the elevation tips. I’ll do my homework and source some stands.
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Post by LesTele on Mar 15, 2020 16:48:52 GMT -5
Something like this?
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Post by NoSoapRadio on Mar 16, 2020 10:56:52 GMT -5
That should work fine.
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Post by LesTele on Mar 16, 2020 14:53:21 GMT -5
I take it that very little foam-type isolation will be required?
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Post by NoSoapRadio on Mar 16, 2020 15:14:24 GMT -5
I can't imagine what that would accomplish.
There are all kinds of things you could do with room treatment but you'd need to be an acoustic engineer to figure it out and have lot's of money. Experiment with placement until you get it as good as you can and call it done. Just move on with your recording.
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Post by LesTele on Mar 17, 2020 18:59:39 GMT -5
NSR
Sorry about my vague post. I was looking at foam isolation for monitors to stand on before buying the stands. I’m sure that there will be rubber strips on the stands.
I can fixate on elements of a set up. No room treatment is planned.
In my impending self-isolation I will, of course, move on with my recording. Look out for LesTele - A Plague Diary Vols I & II, and Splendid Isolation - Les Tele’s tribute to Warren Zevon.
Thank you for your counsel.
I’ll get on with it.
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Post by Larry Madsen on Mar 17, 2020 21:08:32 GMT -5
NSR I was looking at foam isolation for monitors to stand on before buying the stands. I’m sure that there will be rubber strips on the stands. I’ll get on with it. If you look closely at the PICs there appears to be some material on each side of each platform to separate the speaker just a bit. I think my stands had something as well, but not much.
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Post by NoSoapRadio on Apr 3, 2020 15:39:51 GMT -5
So Les -- how are you liking the new monitors?
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Post by LesTele on Apr 3, 2020 16:16:32 GMT -5
So Les -- how are you liking the new monitors? I’m impressed so far. The stands really help - I’d never bothered with them before. I’ve played around with positioning relative to the rear wall and have found a sweet spot. I haven’t had to play around with any of the monitor settings (yet). I’m really happy with my choice (informed by this forum). Anything larger and louder would have been overkill. At £256 including the cables, they were money well spent. At the moment, my greatest joy is an app that lets me control and monitor GarageBand from my iPad Pro. It was free and it allows me to record in a comfy chair not facing a computer screen. I get the terrors when faced with a computer monitor.
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Post by NoSoapRadio on Apr 3, 2020 16:30:32 GMT -5
I'm happy they are working out for you -- I may pick up a pair to keep in reserve in case my M5s go on to the hereafter.
Thanks for the feedback.
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