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Post by mikedetorrice on Jul 20, 2020 17:31:44 GMT -5
So when did the apparent standard convention in the USA media, etc., to designate Democrats as "blue" and Republicans as "red" start ? And who exactly started it and caused it to become the seeming accepted color code for the parties and for liberal - conservative areas ?
I seem to have a vague memory of back in the Sixties (or even late Fifties) the colors were perhaps reversed much of the time, with Republicans as blue and Democrats as red.
I have some possible guesses, but perhaps there is more information out there.
Mike
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Post by Mfitz804 on Jul 20, 2020 17:41:17 GMT -5
This thread seems doomed to devolve into a political discussion, but as long as it stays on why those colors are for those groups, we’ll let it run.
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Post by fkaJimmySee on Jul 20, 2020 17:46:33 GMT -5
In the UK, red is Labor; blue is the Tories.
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Post by Mfitz804 on Jul 20, 2020 17:47:53 GMT -5
In the UK, red is Labor; blue is the Tories. I always thought there was Anarchy in the UK...
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Post by larryguitar54 on Jul 20, 2020 18:37:15 GMT -5
There was no organized plan to make it one way or another. The other poster is correct. In the past they colors were swapped so Democrats were red and GOP was blue. When color television came along each network had its own protocol according to taste. The current convention of 'red states' and 'blue states' is actually fairly new. The networks adopted a uniform code just recently around 2000. The 'red' v 'blue' is actually misleading. The truth is the country is 'purple'. Most counties are slightly red or blue but rarely sharply one way or another. However because of the delegate/electoral college regime the 'winner takes all' so it makes it appear that, for example, a Red State like Nebraska is 100% red when it might only be 52% or so. Same holds true for 'blue states". Democrats may carry California but that doesn't mean the GOP doesn't have a serious presence. I go into all this because I really think the root of our problems is the way districts are drawn and it stifles compromise. We are not as polarized as current discussion claims. That's about as 'political' as I will get on this subject. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_states_and_blue_states
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Post by HenryJ on Jul 20, 2020 18:41:32 GMT -5
In my recollection, I first saw the CBS Evening News with Dan Rather using a US map using red for R states and blue for D states. That's where I thought that came from
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Post by Shoes on Jul 20, 2020 19:05:14 GMT -5
My left hearing aid has a blue dot on it and my right one has a red dot. I've often wondered the origin of this.
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Post by Peegoo 🏁 on Jul 20, 2020 19:14:20 GMT -5
"My left hearing aid has a blue dot on it and my right one has a red dot. I've often wondered the origin of this."
It allows the product to be language-agnostic, and explained in the documentation. If the maker stuck an L on the left one and an R on the right one, it would make sense only in English-speaking countries.
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Post by digiboy on Jul 20, 2020 19:31:18 GMT -5
My left hearing aid has a blue dot on it and my right one has a red dot. I've often wondered the origin of this. That might actually be a clue. In most areas of audio connections, cables, plugs, speakers, etc., stereo left and right is designated by color, usually black and red or white and red, and yes sometimes blue and red. It's understood that the red side is always the right side speaker.
In politics we often say left wing or right wing. Is it possible that coming out of the audio/visual broadcasting tech, people just started connecting, red=right side stereo to also mean red= right=conservative/Republican? And then for color broadcast, blue for left/liberal/Democrat is just more interesting (and safer) than black or white. I know I'm treading close to the hot button but that could be the explanation.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2020 19:55:32 GMT -5
Canada is the same as UK. Red is Liberal. Blue is Conservative. As to why they are the colours they are, I have no idea.
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Post by Bronx on Jul 20, 2020 20:45:30 GMT -5
Democrats are Crips and Republicans are Bloods.
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Post by Mfitz804 on Jul 20, 2020 20:55:55 GMT -5
Democrats are Crips and Republicans are Bloods. I mean, I thought this was obvious.
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Post by hilltop87 on Jul 20, 2020 21:09:32 GMT -5
They should change it to Maple and Rosewood.
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Post by rickyguitar on Jul 21, 2020 3:47:47 GMT -5
When I was a kid one of the parties was light gray and the other was darker gray...but I dont recall which was which. Rosewood and Marianne....I mean maple sounds good tho.
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Post by JDC on Jul 21, 2020 4:42:46 GMT -5
I'm relieved to know that the parties' color designations have, indeed, swapped. All this time I was doubting my memory which kept informing me that Republican=BLUE. I was,obviously, never concerned/ambitious enough to go check it out for myself, though lol).
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Post by gato on Jul 21, 2020 5:32:05 GMT -5
I was in a band in So Cal in the 60's, where the lead player was blind. Ever try explaining the difference between red and blue to someone who has never seen either? Believe it or not, he just didn't care.
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Post by ninworks on Jul 21, 2020 7:24:30 GMT -5
Whenever I am allocating colors to audio cables I always code it so red is right and left is whatever is left over. The alliteration with the words always makes it easy for me to remember which is which while in the throws of figuring out any kind of wiring issue.
By the same token, if the wiring has nothing to do with right or left the lighter color is always positive and the darker negative. That's just how my mind works. It's how I standardize all my wiring in my audio systems.
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Post by jhawkr on Jul 21, 2020 7:33:02 GMT -5
Canada is the same as UK. Red is Liberal. Blue is Conservative. As to why they are the colours they are, I have no idea. It’s because Canada and the UK have “colours” and in the USA we have “colors”. There you have it!
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Post by K4 on Jul 21, 2020 15:55:20 GMT -5
I wish they would change the color from red to green or something. I associate red with communist countries and ideas.
Yes, I remember when the repubs were blue. It does confuse my limited mind at times.
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Post by Mfitz804 on Jul 21, 2020 15:56:18 GMT -5
I wish they would change the donkey or the elephant to a giraffe. Either one is fine. There should be a giraffe.
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Post by K4 on Jul 21, 2020 16:04:23 GMT -5
That would be the ultimate winner.
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Post by tahitijack on Jul 21, 2020 16:56:47 GMT -5
I just hooked up a new stereo system. RED is the right channel WHITE is the Left ch a channel.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2020 17:20:34 GMT -5
I was just looking this up over the weekend for a friend. For the most part, red used to identify Democrat and blue was Republican, but the Wiki has all the confusing details. Check out the "origins" section: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_states_and_blue_states
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Post by Mfitz804 on Jul 21, 2020 17:22:17 GMT -5
I should add, I spend zero time worrying about this stuff. I live in one state, and I vote for who I want to regardless of its color. What possible difference does it make to me what color Idaho is?
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Post by mikedetorrice on Jul 21, 2020 17:50:17 GMT -5
I should add, I spend zero time worrying about this stuff. I live in one state, and I vote for who I want to regardless of its color. What possible difference does it make to me what color Idaho is? Umm, what does this have to do with my original question ? I vote for who I want, too. I wanted to get some ideas on WHY red and blue seems to be a currently practiced convention, when perhaps even the opposite was true in past decades and in other parts of the world as regards liberal/conseravtive parties. As some have hinted at, I suspect perhaps then some media types bending over backwards to never, ever connect "red" (and it's socialist, soviet, communism implications) with the Democratic Party or liberal leanings. If any "red" negative associations were to somehow be connected to conservative or Republican areas ...... oh well, in their view. Mike
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Post by Mfitz804 on Jul 21, 2020 18:30:03 GMT -5
^ Not much lol.
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Post by K4 on Jul 21, 2020 18:51:39 GMT -5
I wanted to get some ideas on WHY red and blue seems to be a currently practiced convention, when perhaps even the opposite was true in past decades and in other parts of the world as regards liberal/conseravtive parties. As some have hinted at, I suspect perhaps then some media types bending over backwards to never, ever connect "red" (and it's socialist, soviet, communism implications) with the Democratic Party or liberal leanings. If any "red" negative associations were to somehow be connected to conservative or Republican areas ...... oh well, in their view. Red is generally associated with danger, but politics are not allowed here.
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Post by Mfitz804 on Jul 21, 2020 18:52:41 GMT -5
Yes, and I think it’s run it’s course now.
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