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Post by dan on Oct 24, 2020 10:01:32 GMT -5
So the prices for blackface amps are stupid, 4K for a little princeton reverb, 3K for a vibrolux. Meanwhile their younger silverface siblings are on fire sale. The silver amps are hand wired jobs with very similar circuits, identical cabinets and similar speakers to the blackfaces. Even the hand wired fender new amps are going for over 2K, but you can get the real deal for pennies on the dollar. I've been buying early and mid 70's amps (princetons, vibroluxes, pro reverbs, champs and twin reverbs) for $400 to $700 each. These things are often big and heavy and are taking over whole rooms in the house, LOL. I have often thought "man I wish I would have bought x while it was stupid cheap." So here they are stupid cheap and the bet is if I hold on to these for 5-10 years is this a killer investment? OR am I getting a great collection of boat anchors... Heck in the meantime they sound great and are fun to look at and play through...
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Post by Leftee on Oct 24, 2020 10:46:56 GMT -5
I moved this to a better forum. 😊
Part of the equation is numbers made. SF amps are plentiful. That’s said, they are great bang for the buck. I seriously doubt you’d lose anything over time. And, depending on the deal you got, you’ll come out ahead.
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Post by jazzguy on Oct 24, 2020 10:54:08 GMT -5
I have a room full of blackface Fenders, they were a good investment when purchased though if I bought them now not so sure how much of a ceiling they'd have say 10-20 yrs down the road. But early silverface amps like champs, princeton's and vibrolux's were a good investment if you bought them say 10 yrs ago or longer as they've gone up as well. Big blackface amps like Pros and Twins are up there but their silverface counterparts not so much. They made a lot of blackface amps but zillions of silverface and those aren't that desirable even today from an investment standpoint. Back in the day everyone wanted Pros and Twins but people's tastes have shifted to smaller amps.
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Post by stl80 on Oct 24, 2020 17:11:38 GMT -5
I have black line, drip edge Bandmaster, Bassman, and Dual Showman. Love them. Jim
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Post by DrKev on Oct 25, 2020 5:37:41 GMT -5
Once upon a time, 1970's Fenders were regarded as firewood. Then the '60s and '50s strats became really rare and prices went up for the '70s stuff. I can't imagine a world where *some* of the silverface amps don't continue to do that too. BUT, we have a world of cheap, great sounding valve amps, modelling amps that are nailing the tone and feel vintage amps, and a world where 1) most people record at home, and 2) stage volume is controlled and IRs direct to the desk are common. Big loud tube amps are not needed. That in mind, I would get rid of the big amps now, because I don't think there will be a market for them. I get the impression that the early 80's Rivera-era Fender amps are coming up now too, so I think the '70s stuff is close to it's peak compared to '80s and yes, early '90s amps. Remember, we're less than a decade away from 1990s era amp becoming "gear from my parents' generation" and that too will go up in price. If I was gloing to invest in anything, it would be instruments, not amps.
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Post by LTB on Oct 26, 2020 1:15:21 GMT -5
I've been buying early and mid 70's amps (princetons, vibroluxes, pro reverbs, champs and twin reverbs) for $400 to $700 each. I suspect the Silverface may be too clean sounding for many who like to really overdrive their amps, however after repairing one for someone in the early 2000's I absolutely fell in love with his 1972 Fender Silverface Pro Reverb. I would have loved to have one but unaffordable for me at the time.
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Post by pdf64 on Oct 26, 2020 5:22:43 GMT -5
Old gear needs to be powered up for a few minutes every few months to keep its electrolytic capacitors (ecaps) serviceable; if left too long they can fail when next used, causing problems, potentially big ones. Gear that’s known not to have been powered up for several years is best taken to a tech for a ‘soft start’ to allow its ecaps to ‘reform’. This can be done by a competent DIYer, by building a light bulb limiter, fitting a low power bulb (eg 25 or 40W), connecting the limiter between the wall outlet and gear, and powering the gear up with all tubes removed (except tube rectifier if fitted). The bulb should go fairly bright for a few seconds and then go dim. After a couple of minutes of it staying dim, turn the power off. If there’s a standby switch, don’t engage the standby mode, leave it in the operate mode.
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Post by twangmeister on Oct 26, 2020 7:01:26 GMT -5
Yes, SFs still are relatively cheap today.
Unfortunately I unloaded mine relatively cheaply in the mid-70s. My blackline Twin Reverb was sold to a friend for $125 with no reverb, probably had a dead tank. I think my blackine Bassman head went for $150. It had been crudely modified to 4 6L6GCs and had Showman transformers and a switchable tone stack mod that allowed use between stock Fender scooped and Marshalloid sound. My two Bassman 2 x 15s with JBL D140s went for $200 each.
But accounting for 44 years of inflation maybe I didn't do so bad after all. The only failures I had while playing 5-7 nights a week for 5 years was a few tubes and the reverb tank in the Twin Reverb.
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Post by LTB on Oct 26, 2020 13:17:10 GMT -5
Old gear needs to be powered up for a few minutes every few months to keep its electrolytic capacitors (ecaps) serviceable; if left too long they can fail when next used, causing problems, potentially big ones. That is something I wish everyone was aware of
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Post by MoJoe on Oct 27, 2020 5:35:01 GMT -5
You're doin it just right, imo. All my BF and SFs had doubled in price when sold recently, including cost of overhauling.
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Post by dan on Oct 27, 2020 10:45:24 GMT -5
Just scored a blackface 1965 FEIC vibro champ for $700 still with original tubes and cord. In the 1990'a I used to collect 1950's and 1960's fender guitars. For instance in 1998 the lead guitarist of blind melon sold me his 1960 strat (he used it on all their albums) for $2500. But now buying those guitars are a a refinance the house type project. Trying to have the same fun with amps which are still in the range where mere mortals can buy them. Hopefully I will end up 10 years down the road with cool heirlooms...
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Post by pcalu on Oct 27, 2020 20:32:16 GMT -5
I prefer Silver face Fenders for two reasons.
A) Nostalgia... Love the early 70s.. reminds me of playing with my Dad and my Uncle B) Cost... Blackface sound awesome, but I can't see dropping $$ on one any more ( I've owned a few BF) I can buy a SF have it black faced. (i.e. if the model needs it, some didn't change specs... some models other than the Bias I prefer left SF specs. example early 70s Pro Reverb) After black facing, by the time I retrofit a SF with some aftermarket speakers and drop in my favorite tubes I can't tell the difference between a SF or BF Fender and I have saved a ton of $$
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Post by MoJoe on Oct 28, 2020 6:05:19 GMT -5
This. A 72 SFTR and 68 BM bought for 300ish each not too long ago, to bf and mod, ended up unaltered after a little tlc. Both sounded just right as they come, imho.
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Post by tiller2 on Nov 13, 2020 15:59:38 GMT -5
During the pandemic, I've checked on Reverb prices of Silverface Champs and they've gone up and up.
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Post by Auf Kiltre on Nov 28, 2020 13:48:50 GMT -5
I have an early 80's Rivera era Princeton Reverb II that I see keeps going up in value, but not equaling or surpassing anything I'd buy as a replacement. Actually I'm surprised that vintage tube amps are still appreciating in value, my initial reaction would be a pandemic+aging demographic would have caused it to at least plateau. But on the other hand I've seen BIK (Boomers I Know) spending more frivolously this year, like cars guns and well, guitars. Maybe it's a mortality thing and defiance to going gently into that good night.
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Post by Vibroluxer on Nov 29, 2020 0:38:21 GMT -5
Those Rivera era amps are boss!!
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Post by dan on Nov 29, 2020 1:17:45 GMT -5
The revera's and the smith mods, very cool. And amps are fun, you do not even need a workshop
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Post by Leftee on Nov 29, 2020 9:47:02 GMT -5
... just a photo-bombing dog. 😂
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Post by dan on Nov 29, 2020 16:50:12 GMT -5
dining room tables make excellent hobby areas for silver or blackface!!
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Post by Bbendfender on Nov 29, 2020 22:46:50 GMT -5
I now have 9 Silver face Fenders and 1 BF plus 2 newer Tweeds. Lots of bang for the buck with the SF. I'm still looking for amps and how have my eye on a SF Vibrolux. I think I've owned just about every Fender SF or BF amp except the Quad Reverb and Super Six Reverb.
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Post by dan on Nov 29, 2020 23:33:51 GMT -5
Wow Bbender!! My kinda guy!
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