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Post by budg on Dec 15, 2020 6:14:12 GMT -5
You just have to play one. If every guitar that Fender made was as good as the Custom Shop, they would rule the world. Maybe so Pintree 😊 But does that mean I have to wear over priced jeans with rips in them too ? 😉 Well they make “stonewashed “ and have for years so there are different levels of wear in jeans just like guitars.
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Post by walshb 🦒 on Dec 15, 2020 8:03:57 GMT -5
I've always been on the fence about the relic thing. I still am. I've never purchased one, but I wouldn't rule it out either.
I've never actually reliced a guitar by playing it, either, at least not to the point where the finish is being worn off the guitar, even where my arm rests. Maybe my body chemistry is messed up!
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Post by Leftee on Dec 15, 2020 8:48:49 GMT -5
they are a thing and so is vanilla coke
but if a guitar plays great and sounds fantastic and you like it
it doesn't matter if its relic, NOS, journeyman or whatever they call the finish options now
a good guitar is a good guitar.
Period . . . . . . .Mic drop.................................. More like “guitar drop.” 😂
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Post by budg on Dec 15, 2020 8:58:22 GMT -5
I’ve learned over the years to cast a wider net in looking for guitars. Previously wouldn’t touch a MIM guitar. Ditto for a LP without binding . Relic? Nope . Now I have all 3 and they are all outstanding guitars. Most people I don’t think set out to buy a relic ,but a lot of them have that IT factor we all look for . I know mine does. Now I see the new Fender Vinteras are being offered in reliced(road worn) finishes too. Gibson does the “aged” finish too I believe.
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Post by slacker 🐨 on Dec 15, 2020 9:03:48 GMT -5
I've heard some horror stories of botched jobs. Also, I've heard you can only refret a few times (kinda like hip replacement revision). If that's true, I'd like to stretch it out. One has the best feel and resonance I've ever played. It's one of those guitars that people pick up and involuntarily go "oh wow". As I lie in a hospital bed 4 hours after having a hip replacement revision, I say do the refret, slacker. You’ll be glad you did. I had one in 2013 at the age of 50. Well worth it. Best wishes for a speedy recovery.
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Post by Peegoo 🏁 on Dec 15, 2020 9:09:22 GMT -5
a good guitar is a good guitar. ^^^ This ^^^ I've played lots of guitars. Some of them that cost a whole bunch were dogs. Some of them that were no-name garage sale specials were amazing. Ya picks what ya likes and ya goes with it.
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Post by MoJoe on Dec 15, 2020 9:23:18 GMT -5
You just have to play one. If every guitar that Fender made was as good as the Custom Shop, they would rule the world. This.
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Post by matryx81 on Dec 15, 2020 9:24:20 GMT -5
they are a thing and so is vanilla coke Vanilla Coke is delicious!
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Post by snakeboy on Dec 15, 2020 10:22:11 GMT -5
I said that I'd never buy one.....that is, until I bought one last year that just jumped out at me. It's easily the best Strat I've ever played - super resonant and light, great feeling neck that fits like a glove, and it's a looker IMO.
Never say never.
Also - I don't worry about being too careful with it. I got an Eric Johnson Strat around the same time, and I find myself not playing it as much. It's a great Strat as well, but it's heavier, the neck is sticky by comparison, and it seems to get scratched by looking at it too hard.
I've also got a '97 Strat that I bought new, and have done a lot of gigging with.....it still looks like new. Not a single scratch. Go figure.
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Post by MoJoe on Dec 15, 2020 11:00:30 GMT -5
You just have to play one. If every guitar that Fender made was as good as the Custom Shop, they would rule the world. This.
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Post by Mike the marksman on Dec 15, 2020 11:05:46 GMT -5
I like the ones with the "Closet Classic" treatment- just enough wear to make them feel slightly used and worn-in, but the full on relic jobs with fake buckle rash, scratches, and worn-through finishes seems cheesy and overdone to me.
There is no way I would wear a guitar like that in 30 years with normal playing. I don't strum wildly enough to wear through the finish above the pickguard, and I don't play with tucked-in shirts and giant belt buckles.
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Post by Ayns on Dec 15, 2020 15:03:06 GMT -5
I've got a couple of "relics"; a Bill Nash Candy Apple Red S65, and a Sunburst AVRI 62 Hot Rod Strat. I've had the Nash about 15 years, and I got it because I liked the big headstock and the colour, and it was the only one in stock with the specs I liked (9.5 radius neck, Frailin pups). It's *very heavily* reliced (I think they describe it as "Louisiana Roadhouse" finish), but it plays and sounds great and looks good to me. The 62 Hot Rod was "reliced" by the previous owner, and to be honest they didn't do a great job...…………. but it came with a CS Case, and Bareknuckle pups, list price £1,300 plus £200 pups, so £1,500, and I bought it for £500! so I don't care what it looks like too much . I've had it about 10 years and it's my #1 gigging guitar, best sounding Strat pick ups I've ever heard. My only slight gripe is the neck is a wee bit chunkier than I'd like. I've played a couple of CS Relics back in the day, and I've also played original '62 and '63 Strats, and I have to say.. the CS guitars were way better playing and sounding than the originals to me. My vague thought re Fender Relics is that their CS guitars are so expensive, they have to offer the buyer something different (exclusive) to justify the price.
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Post by krrf on Dec 15, 2020 20:13:05 GMT -5
You just have to play one. If every guitar that Fender made was as good as the Custom Shop, they would rule the world. I mean that should be true of any Custom Shop guitar, not just the relic ones. If you are dropping that much money it better damn well be a player!
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Post by LTB on Dec 15, 2020 23:58:05 GMT -5
a good guitar is a good guitar. ^^^ This ^^^ I've played lots of guitars. Some of them that cost a whole bunch were dogs. Some of them that were no-name garage sale specials were amazing. Ya picks what ya likes and ya goes with it. That is what I have seen. To me, an inexpensive guitar is not necessary bad and an expensive guitar is not necessary great, however what I have also found is you have a better chance of receiving a good or even great guitar in the better lines. Things are only as good as the people building them, the quality control and how each were feeling that moment or day. This is the reason ( in my opinion) compared to cheap guitars in the 60’s don’t quantifiably compare to today’s cheaper guitars. Today we have automation to consistently reproduce things in a way we did not then. Plus there is cheaper labor overseas so if you want a quality American 🇺🇸 made guitar you are going to typically pay much more because we demand higher pay, unless you find someone really good who just want to put out quality and don’t care about or need a lot money to live on.
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Post by MoJoe on Dec 16, 2020 0:37:45 GMT -5
I like the ones with the "Closet Classic" treatment- just enough wear to make them feel slightly used and worn-in, but the full on relic jobs with fake buckle rash, scratches, and worn-through finishes seems cheesy and overdone to me. There is no way I would wear a guitar like that in 30 years with normal playing. I don't strum wildly enough to wear through the finish above the pickguard, and I don't play with tucked-in shirts and giant belt buckles. Same. Had an irresistable taos turqoise Tele closet classic in for trade once that made me feel like being of british nobility where a servant has been wearing in the new footwear for seemless transition. On the other hand I vividly remember my annoyance with a then new late 90s (?) relic Nocaster that played better than any I had laid my hands on, including a buddy's ˋ52. When I could not get over the factory applied damage. And the nerve of it, charging an extra 500 bucks for the demolition. 😡 Other reliced Teles and Strats since concluded in ˋif it sounds and feels right it is right' when the real world qualities are just that. And the heavy reliced pseudo punk attitude or whatever that represents still strikes me as ridiculous. 😏
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Post by Ayns on Dec 16, 2020 12:50:44 GMT -5
I just saw a CS '60's Strat Relic in Sea Foam Green at my local music store this afternoon- £4,345 WOW.
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Post by Pinetree on Dec 16, 2020 14:12:46 GMT -5
My buddy dropped $3 grand on his, and that was the Black Friday sale price.
He's the last person I ever expected to spend that much on a guitar, let alone a heavy relic, but as previously stated it is a really nice guitar.
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Post by budg on Dec 16, 2020 14:54:53 GMT -5
I paid 2800 on my Journeyman relic 5 years ago and none of my other guitars come close in price to that. It’s a great guitar and by far the most played of all my guitars. The neck is a heavy relic and is so nice to play.
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Post by Auf Kiltre on Dec 16, 2020 14:58:38 GMT -5
My very first build was probably 20 years ago now. I bought the body and neck from Gregg Rogers, who cut his own alder bodies and finished Allparts necks. I wasn't specifically looking for relic but was aiming for the guitar that inspired me at a young age, "Brownie". I had great assistance from my buddy, who's name happens to be Fender (no relation to Leo). I joke that it is a Custom Shop Fender, cuz we made it in his garage. Something magical happened with this guitar, it just sounds freakin' awesome. Using Fralin Real 54's I found *the* right set of pickups for this guitar. Tried another Real 54's set in different guitar and they didn't deliver. I gigged pretty heavily with this guitar, don't know where the original light relic begins and honest to goodness wear takes over. I've done a couple now in the same manner. Would never go deep into the heavy relic thing, but that's just me. As a wise man once said, "Just play the dang thing".
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Post by Pinetree on Dec 16, 2020 15:03:53 GMT -5
Nice!
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Post by Peegoo 🏁 on Dec 16, 2020 16:22:09 GMT -5
I just saw a CS '60's Strat Relic in Sea Foam Green at my local music store this afternoon- £4,345 WOW. Here's a CS Time Machine surf green 1960 Strat light relic. This Strat has the most insanely flamed maple I've ever seen on a neck.
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Post by Auf Kiltre on Dec 16, 2020 16:57:20 GMT -5
That is awesome!
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Post by Blacksunshine on Dec 16, 2020 17:18:44 GMT -5
Here's a CS Time Machine surf green 1960 Strat light relic. This Strat has the most insanely flamed maple I've ever seen on a neck. Wow, that neck is gorgeous!
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Post by Ayns on Dec 16, 2020 17:33:14 GMT -5
Very nice Peegoo. :-)
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Post by Ayns on Dec 16, 2020 17:41:38 GMT -5
Thinking about it, my Nash S65 is probably the most expensive guitar I've ever bought. I think I paid around $1,800 for it in about 2005. I bought it direct from Bill Nash. I don't think I've gigged it in a dozen years or more. Maybe it's time to let it go?
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Post by guildx700 on Dec 27, 2020 21:40:19 GMT -5
I have no use for a guitar to have factory "wear" put on it. I do like a true, played in guitar though, even if heavily worn, as long as it's real.
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Post by guildx700 on Dec 27, 2020 21:46:33 GMT -5
I just saw a CS '60's Strat Relic in Sea Foam Green at my local music store this afternoon- £4,345 WOW. Here's a CS Time Machine surf green 1960 Strat light relic. This Strat has the most insanely flamed maple I've ever seen on a neck. My Guild X700 neck has some pretty heavy flame, it's hard to photograph though:
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