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Post by cedarchoper58 on Jan 30, 2021 18:03:50 GMT -5
whic do you use in your pedals especialy old ones? there deffently is a sound differencce. I use a 1969 Vox wha and a 1981 TS9 tubescreamer and am trying both
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Post by Mikeyguitar on Jan 30, 2021 18:39:47 GMT -5
a battery is a battery to me...but I would use good old electricity to avoid the dreaded battery death.
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Post by LesTele on Jan 30, 2021 18:41:20 GMT -5
Add a mains power option to the poll.
I have no pedals more than than 20 years old but they all plug into mains electricity through a transformer or a Boss tuner.
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Post by theprofessor on Jan 30, 2021 19:30:04 GMT -5
I only run batteries. Cheap Ray-o-vac alkalines in everything except a tone bender homage fuzz.
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Post by Peegoo 🏁 on Jan 30, 2021 20:56:22 GMT -5
Al Kaline.
Because baseball.
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Post by Mike the marksman on Feb 1, 2021 9:15:30 GMT -5
Alkaline in everything but a fuzz face clone, which is picky about battery type. I like carbon-zinc batteries in that.
more modern pedal types like ODs, chorus and delay don't seem to care one way or the other.
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Post by Peegoo 🏁 on Feb 1, 2021 9:23:48 GMT -5
You can dial in the amount of voltage & current sag with this brand new pedal from pGOO Electronix:
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Post by Leftee on Feb 1, 2021 9:28:45 GMT -5
I’m glad you included the venerable potato battery. Way overdue.
Is there actually a potato in there?
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Post by modbus on Feb 1, 2021 12:44:00 GMT -5
Alkalines have roughly twice the capacity of heavy duty batteries. However, a DC supply has roughly infinite times the capacity of an alkaline, though, so that's what I go with.
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Post by reverendrob on Feb 1, 2021 12:44:56 GMT -5
If I need something with low output, I get a starve dial and hook it to mains.
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Post by Peegoo 🏁 on Feb 1, 2021 13:27:00 GMT -5
I’m glad you included the venerable potato battery. Way overdue. Is there actually a potato in there? Yes. A mini russet with two nails jabbed into it. The big difference between battery types is how they deliver voltage over their lifetime. Alkalines supply their rated voltage for a longer period; in voltage-sensitive devices, this makes the difference between proper operation and not working at all.
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Post by cedarchoper58 on Feb 1, 2021 16:07:55 GMT -5
Any preferences on sound based. The non deffintly sound thicker than a power supply or alkaline
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Post by modbus on Feb 1, 2021 16:31:16 GMT -5
Well, legend has it that Eddie Van Halen used a variac to lower the voltage to his amps to thicken up the sound, so there's that.
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Post by Leftee on Feb 1, 2021 16:33:00 GMT -5
Well, legend has it that Eddie Van Halen used a variac to lower the voltage to his amps to thicken up the sound, so there's that. He also once claimed he ran them up around 140VAC.
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Post by modbus on Feb 1, 2021 17:31:00 GMT -5
The story I heard was that in the early days when they were playing smaller venues, he wanted to have his Marshall dimed, but felt it was too loud. He tried lowering the voltage with a variac in the hopes that it would drop the volume, but he ended up liking how the lower voltage made the amp sound.
Who knows if it's true or not. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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Post by cedarchoper58 on Feb 1, 2021 18:09:29 GMT -5
i heard Ed blew many transformers
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Post by Mike the marksman on Feb 2, 2021 8:06:19 GMT -5
The story Ed told in the Smithsonian interview was he worked all summer delivering pianos to buy a 100-watt Marshall head that came into the music shop where he worked. He was finally able to buy it but it was too loud, and everywhere they played he was told to turn it down. He tried facing it backwards, pointing it at the floor, etc. Nothing worked. He saw a classified ad in the newspaper for another Marshall head and thought "maybe this one will be different". So he went and bought it, and when he brought it home and turned it on it didn't work, but he left it turned on and came back a little while later to try to play through it and sounded incredible "but incredibly quiet". Turns out the voltage was set to 220V and it took a long time for it to warm up at half voltage. He started looking for ways to control the voltage going into the amp so he could get a good sound at low volume. He said he tried hooking the amp up to the light dimmer in the house and blew the power out, so he went to an electronics shop and asked them if they had some kind of variable transformer, and was told "We have something called a Variac". He said the sweet spot for recording was around 89V.
It was an interesting interview, I don't have access you youtube at the moment but it's on there.
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Post by cedarchoper58 on Feb 2, 2021 13:24:26 GMT -5
The story Ed told in the Smithsonian interview was he worked all summer delivering pianos to buy a 100-watt Marshall head that came into the music shop where he worked. He was finally able to buy it but it was too loud, and everywhere they played he was told to turn it down. He tried facing it backwards, pointing it at the floor, etc. Nothing worked. He saw a classified ad in the newspaper for another Marshall head and thought "maybe this one will be different". So he went and bought it, and when he brought it home and turned it on it didn't work, but he left it turned on and came back a little while later to try to play through it and sounded incredible "but incredibly quiet". Turns out the voltage was set to 220V and it took a long time for it to warm up at half voltage. He started looking for ways to control the voltage going into the amp so he could get a good sound at low volume. He said he tried hooking the amp up to the light dimmer in the house and blew the power out, so he went to an electronics shop and asked them if they had some kind of variable transformer, and was told "We have something called a Variac". He said the sweet spot for recording was around 89V. It was an interesting interview, I don't have access you youtube at the moment but it's on there. i have 105v tap and it does not lower the volume that i can tell on my 100 watt marshall
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Post by pdf64 on Feb 2, 2021 15:49:43 GMT -5
A 105V tap - do you mean on the power transformer primary? If so, then connecting 120V wall voltage to that will INCREASE all the voltages in the amp by about 14%. That would be bad, as everything will run very hot. Note that early Marshalls had a 100V speaker output, which is a completely different thing. en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constant-voltage_speaker_systemI hope it’s obvious that it would be a terrible idea to connect wall voltage to that!
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Post by cedarchoper58 on Feb 2, 2021 19:14:44 GMT -5
A 105V tap - do you mean on the power transformer primary? If so, then connecting 120V wall voltage to that will INCREASE all the voltages in the amp by about 14%. That would be bad, as everything will run very hot. Note that early Marshalls had a 100V speaker output, which is a completely different thing. en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constant-voltage_speaker_systemI hope it’s obvious that it would be a terrible idea to connect wall voltage to that! my 68 marshall is dialed in for 123v but my ultimate attenuator has a 105v jack which i have tried and it does not loweer the volume
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Post by pdf64 on Feb 3, 2021 6:31:06 GMT -5
Dropping the mains voltage to the amp by 15% will have a measurable effect. Reducing the voltage to a valve will reduce its anode current, which reduces its gm and so reduces the stage gain. Just a bit, but that will apply to every gain stage along the amp’s signal path, so x4. So a possible net effect of a few dB less max available system gain.
Then the amp’s power output will be directly related to the square of the reduction in the amp’s HT voltage. So about 15% lower HT voltage will lead to the max output power dropping by over 25%. But that’s not even a 1.5dB change, so given the few minutes that will have elapsed in changing the outlet supplying the amp, it indeed would have been surprising if you’d been able to notice such a small change.
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Post by cedarchoper58 on Feb 3, 2021 13:10:58 GMT -5
Dropping the mains voltage to the amp by 15% will have a measurable effect. Reducing the voltage to a valve will reduce its anode current, which reduces its gm and so reduces the stage gain. Just a bit, but that will apply to every gain stage along the amp’s signal path, so x4. So a possible net effect of a few dB less max available system gain. Then the amp’s power output will be directly related to the square of the reduction in the amp’s HT voltage. So about 15% lower HT voltage will lead to the max output power dropping by over 25%. But that’s not even a 1.5dB change, so given the few minutes that will have elapsed in changing the outlet supplying the amp, it indeed would have been surprising if you’d been able to notice such a small change. my heater voltage also droped out of range which could ruin my tubes
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