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Post by Auf Kiltre on Feb 10, 2021 14:21:45 GMT -5
I've had nothing but good luck with Allparts necks (3 of them) and I like the idea of quartersawn+roasted maple, but I dunno, looks odd. You would think they'd provide a better picture.
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Post by Leftee on Feb 10, 2021 16:05:27 GMT -5
Very pronounced grain for maple.
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Post by Auf Kiltre on Feb 10, 2021 16:25:46 GMT -5
I found a discussion on one board specific to that model where the headstock split when drilling the tuner holes. Think I'll pass.
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Post by Peegoo 🏁 on Feb 10, 2021 16:55:15 GMT -5
That is fast-growth maple (wide grain lines). And it's really not quartersawn...it's close though; you can see the angle through the scoop just behind the nut. I would probably call that rift sawn. Pay no attention to some goober complaining about the wood splitting. If a person complains of wood splitting while drilling, they don't know what they're doing. They're either using a cold chisel to 'drill' a hole, or they're not switching on the drill press motor before reefing on the handle
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Post by Auf Kiltre on Feb 10, 2021 18:55:07 GMT -5
I think the conclusion was he drilled the tuner mount holes too small then horsed in the screws. Something I may or may not have done a time or two 😐
But never have I ever had a split. I went ahead and ordered a regular maple Allparts and will finish it me self. My previous attempt to get a "custom" finished one from a Reverb seller turned into a refund. Lesson learned.
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Post by DrKev on Feb 11, 2021 8:21:31 GMT -5
I think that neck looks lovely and I'd buy it in a heartbeat. As mentioned by Peegoo, any one who drills a hole in a guitar neck that splits is entirely at fault themselves.
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Post by Leftee on Feb 11, 2021 8:30:22 GMT -5
I’ve used Mighty Mite necks with similar grain, although not as pronounced as this example.
My impressions were that they were softer maple. I can’t quantify that statement. And I admit I could be mistaken.
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Post by Auf Kiltre on Feb 11, 2021 9:07:14 GMT -5
Allparts and their distributors sure don't make an effort to depict their necks very well. I've seen some where, while giving a description of the neck they only had a pic of the headstock, lol.
My favorite guitar sports a 20 year old Allparts vee shape/vintage profile Strat neck. The first and only guitar I've actually refretted, this time using SS frets. I ordered the same profile hoping for the same joy, although somehow I managed to get a nice light flame on the first.
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Post by Leftee on Feb 11, 2021 9:16:23 GMT -5
These days I’ve gone off Mighty Mite all together. My Allparts experience has been mostly OK with a couple of issues.
Warmoth is top of my heap.
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Post by Auf Kiltre on Feb 11, 2021 9:37:31 GMT -5
I've had pretty good luck with Warmoth with one exception. I had a custom Tele neck built, AAA birdseye, all the appointments. It ended up being pretty unstable compared to my other necks, needing frequent trussrod adjustments. The thing that bugs me about Warmoth is all the weird little upcharges, like for their 59 Roundback/SRV/Clapton profiles. Do they really require that much more hand attention? I also wish they'd have a little more variety in their "In Stock" inventory as the vast majority of stuff is 10-16" compound radius and Standard Thin. Someday though, I'll have them build me a Strat neck, Bloodwood and Bubinga, binding, sharkfin inlays...
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Post by Peegoo 🏁 on Feb 11, 2021 10:47:16 GMT -5
Allparts and their distributors sure don't make an effort to depict their necks very well. It's why I like Warmoth. The neck you buy online is the same neck you get. And they do back up their sale with good service. The upcharges are due to things like thicker necks needing to be carved from thicker blanks. Wood (good wood) is insanely expensive, so waste is minimized as much as possible. Sawdust, scraps, and drops are something you've paid for and it all goes into the trash...unless you have a recycle deal going with a company that makes pellets for wood burning stoves. Every company is going to have a glitch now and then, especially when it comes to organic materials like wood. How well they respond to quality issues to stand behind their products is what matters.
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Post by Larry Madsen on Feb 11, 2021 11:53:21 GMT -5
How well they respond to quality issues to stand behind their products is what matters. Through all my years in business (43 of them) my belief was this: Good customer service is not truly demonstrated by getting it right every time. It's more about what happens when something doesn't go right.
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Post by Peegoo 🏁 on Feb 11, 2021 16:19:24 GMT -5
"Does this quartersawn roasted maple neck look funny to you?" Whaddaya mean? Like 'funny ha-ha'? Does it amuse you?
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Post by funkykikuchiyo on Feb 13, 2021 9:03:48 GMT -5
The grain does look odd. I'd say it is more likely to be that the photographed one got a weird stain or is photographed oddly. Maybe the white balance is just off and they need someone who knows photoshop better.
Hard maple is too cheap for anyone to bother with "fake" maple. The only times I've seen maple be "bad" is when someone wants to use non straight grain, and even then it is usually because they have a flamey or birdseye piece that they can't bring themselves to throw to the scrap heap and lie to themselves and say it won't twist, or they just have no idea how to look at grain and think the sharp turn it takes around the 7th fret will never cause harm. If someone TRULY didn't know what they were doing they might use one of the soft maple species to make a neck which would likely be a bit of a disaster, but I'm not sure this has ever happened on any commercial scale. Usually the amateur who doesn't know the difference will buy only from lutherie supply places who DO know the difference.
I agree that the splitting is 100% user error. Wood splits. It is built into the physics of it. If you put a wedge into it, it will split. Except maybe if you're getting your woods from the petrified forest. Maple is sneaky. It is such a light, even color that it tricks us into thinking it isn't a super hard wood, but it is CRAZY hard. A lot of woodworkers dread working with hard maple because it always dulls tools and they have to use fresh saw blades if they don't want burn marks. It took me a while to get it through my head that maple was a tough wood - it just isn't intuitive for some reason.
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Post by Leftee on Feb 13, 2021 9:53:22 GMT -5
I looked at the listing again and saw it’s roasted. I think that, and the fact it’s daddy-growth wood, explains the oddness.
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Post by Leftee on Feb 13, 2021 9:54:45 GMT -5
The grain does look odd. I'd say it is more likely to be that the photographed one got a weird stain or is photographed oddly. Maybe the white balance is just off and they need someone who knows photoshop better. Hard maple is too cheap for anyone to bother with "fake" maple. The only times I've seen maple be "bad" is when someone wants to use non straight grain, and even then it is usually because they have a flamey or birdseye piece that they can't bring themselves to throw to the scrap heap and lie to themselves and say it won't twist, or they just have no idea how to look at grain and think the sharp turn it takes around the 7th fret will never cause harm. If someone TRULY didn't know what they were doing they might use one of the soft maple species to make a neck which would likely be a bit of a disaster, but I'm not sure this has ever happened on any commercial scale. Usually the amateur who doesn't know the difference will buy only from lutherie supply places who DO know the difference. I agree that the splitting is 100% user error. Wood splits. It is built into the physics of it. If you put a wedge into it, it will split. Except maybe if you're getting your woods from the petrified forest. Maple is sneaky. It is such a light, even color that it tricks us into thinking it isn't a super hard wood, but it is CRAZY hard. A lot of woodworkers dread working with hard maple because it always dulls tools and they have to use fresh saw blades if they don't want burn marks. It took me a while to get it through my head that maple was a tough wood - it just isn't intuitive for some reason. When I was a lad I chopped down an 8” maple tree with an axe. Eventually
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Post by funkykikuchiyo on Feb 13, 2021 9:55:28 GMT -5
Oh, I missed the roasted bit.
Maybe they tried some BBQ sauce before roasting. That would definitely give it an odd color.
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Post by Leftee on Feb 13, 2021 9:59:00 GMT -5
The only way to know is to buy it and lick it.
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Post by Auf Kiltre on Feb 13, 2021 10:11:23 GMT -5
When I bought my roasted Musikraft neck it smelled like pancakes.
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Post by Leftee on Feb 13, 2021 10:15:17 GMT -5
Oh yeah! Aunt Jemima for sure!
Or whatever
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Post by funkykikuchiyo on Feb 13, 2021 11:11:22 GMT -5
*Pearl Milling Company. Also, not real maple. Corn syrup with maple flavoring. Calling that stuff real maple is fightin' words in some necks of the woods.
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Post by Leftee on Feb 13, 2021 11:14:44 GMT -5
*Pearl Milling Company. Also, not real maple. Corn syrup with maple flavoring. Calling that stuff real maple is fightin' words in some necks of the woods. I’m spoiled these days. Only real in this house.
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