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Post by budg on Apr 10, 2021 14:36:25 GMT -5
I bought one of these off of Guitar Center used site. Quite a bit less than half of what a new one cost. Supposedly in “good “ condition .
The bad- they took care packing it quite well, unfortunately one of the power tubes was broke when they removed them. Took the broken tube to my local GC and they made it right. They had a set of matched tung sol gc tubes , so I biased them after installing them.
The good- well it’s 59 bassman ri ! Great sounding amp. It’s actually in better shape than they claimed . Plugged in my strat and broadcaster and it sounds glorious . Same with my 335.
Next up I’m going to order some JAN Phillips WGBs . I had them in a previous version 59 ri and they sounded great. Still has the stock tubes in the preamp section , so looking for suggestions for those.
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Post by jtheissen on Apr 10, 2021 15:53:49 GMT -5
Love mine that I bought new about five years ago. I have a set of matched JJ 6L6 tubes and want to re-bias with them. Never done it before. I have the Eurotubes instructions, meter and such. The tube clamps are a pain. I keep putting it off.
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Post by budg on Apr 10, 2021 16:59:02 GMT -5
Love mine that I bought new about five years ago. I have a set of matched JJ 6L6 tubes and want to re-bias with them. Never done it before. I have the Eurotubes instructions, meter and such. The tube clamps are a pain. I keep putting it off. I have the same meter from eurotubes. It is really easy . Especially with the bassman. I laid it down so I could access the upper back panel and unplugged it , came back about 20 minutes later and removed one of the power tubes, inserted the tube in the adapter , power it up and let it warm up. Once it’s stable turn the pot until you get the proper MA. In my case the original tubes were rated at like 19 watts , so when I put in the tung sols they were running way too hot. So I turned it down until I got 70% dissipation . They really sound great . The meter I have from eurotubes reads plate voltage and MA.
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Post by Leftee on Apr 10, 2021 17:08:43 GMT -5
Congrats!
I like the RI Tung Sol 12AX7 as far as new tubes in a Fender.
Usually in only swap V1 these days.
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Post by budg on Apr 10, 2021 17:39:27 GMT -5
I’ll try those leftee. I’ve had my eye on a set. I also have a set of JJs . I like JJs in blackface Fenders , but want something different in the tweed.
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Post by pdf64 on Apr 10, 2021 18:22:27 GMT -5
If you try a valve rectifier, bear in mind it’s a hot switching standby, so avoid using standby with it. Every time standby is flipped into operate mode, there’s a large current surge through the rectifier.
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Post by budg on Apr 10, 2021 19:24:29 GMT -5
If you try a valve rectifier, bear in mind it’s a hot switching standby, so avoid using standby with it. Every time standby is flipped into operate mode, there’s a large current surge through the rectifier. It came with a tube rectifier and I never use my standby . Good advice . It’s why you here guys ask “ why do I get a popping sound when I switch the standby switch on /off?”
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Post by pdf64 on Apr 11, 2021 4:55:15 GMT -5
... I turned it down until I got 70% dissipation ... The 30W anode dissipation limit of the 6L6GC is traditionally derived under the design max rating system. That system puts the onus onto equipment designers to apply a derating before putting that limit into use, in their calculations. Hence my understanding is that valve types with a ‘design max’ anode limit require that limit to be derated before applying the ‘idle at 70% of the anode limit’ guideline. About 26W looks about right for 6L6GC, so don’t idle them hotter than 18W. Alternatively, use 60% as the limit for design max rated valve types, as the numbers work out the same. That’s what a lot of techs had concluded themselves anyway (ie idling at 21W seemed too hot for 6L6GC). Beware of trusting your perception too much; a valve’s transconductance increases with anode current, so 70% will always be a bit louder than 60%, and our hearing perception tends to be that ‘a bit louder’, all else being equal, gets perceived as ‘sounding better’, rather than just ‘louder’.
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Post by jhawkr on Apr 11, 2021 13:23:06 GMT -5
My 1973 Bandmaster Reverb has all original OEM RCA tubes. It was a real closet classic. Did have to replace the OEM Mallory caps as 2 of them were blistered. But I rue the day when I have to replace any of those RCA’s.
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Post by Leftee on Apr 11, 2021 14:40:11 GMT -5
A few years ago I did some experiments with idle dissipation and bias adjustment. On the amps I did this, I biased to the 70% “rule” as prevalent across the innerwebs. I played the amps for a while and the calculated and adjusted them down to 60%. 60% sounded great, so that became my seat-of-the-pants number. Below 50 and the amps sounded sterile. The tubey magic left the building.
Btw - many JCM 800 amps were biased pretty cold out of the factory. I suppose that kept warranty claims for output tubes down. Those amps benefited greatly from a proper bias adjustment.
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Post by budg on Apr 11, 2021 14:57:12 GMT -5
That’s an interesting take leftee. I’ll play around with the bias a little bit. I remember my drri was biased somewhere around 50 percent and sounded pretty anemic . I remember raising it to around 60 percent and they sounded better.
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Post by budg on Apr 16, 2021 6:36:18 GMT -5
So after some experimenting with the bias , I went from 50 percent to 75 percent dissipation just for farts and giggles, I decided to keep the original 70 percent with a bias at 37.8 ma. The closer to 50 percent , the more uninspiring and sterile it sounded. It sounded less tweed like at 60 percent than at 70 percent. I really like these tung sol tubes and will keep them . I’m going to order some tung sol preamp tubes and compare them with my JJs I have on hand.
This amp sounds great with all my guitars, but with a strat it is pure magical. Same with my 335, but to a lesser degree.
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Post by Leftee on Apr 16, 2021 8:00:55 GMT -5
I’ve always loved that 4x10 Bassman tone. I’ve never owned one, though.
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Post by Vibroluxer on Apr 16, 2021 8:24:20 GMT -5
I had a Victoria version. Easily one of the best 2 amps I've owned.
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Post by budg on Apr 16, 2021 8:44:52 GMT -5
This is the amp I always come back to. I love my drri and someday will build me a 57 tweed deluxe , but the tone on the 59 bmri is glorious to my ears.
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Post by Vibroluxer on Apr 16, 2021 8:49:41 GMT -5
It is glorious isn't it? Sure makes me sound better than I am!
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Post by budg on Apr 16, 2021 8:52:01 GMT -5
Exactly!
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Post by budg on Apr 17, 2021 17:56:10 GMT -5
So the tube rolling continued. The preamp tubes seemed a tad noisy and a little tired. I had some JJs still new in the box. I put in all new 12ax7s and a new rectifier tube. What a difference . Not only does the clean sound better (crisper) , but the crunch sounds even better. I guess I really like JJs in Fender preamps . I’m sticking with the Tung Sols though for power tubes though. They sound great.
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Post by pdf64 on Apr 18, 2021 4:19:49 GMT -5
So the tube rolling continued ... I guess I really like JJs in Fender preamps ... I guess that ought to include Marshall’s (and most other amps) too then. As the overwhelming majority of valve guitar amps follow the arrangements typified by the 5F6A tweed Bassman or the AB763 Twin Reverb.
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Post by budg on Apr 18, 2021 8:47:48 GMT -5
So the tube rolling continued ... I guess I really like JJs in Fender preamps ... I guess that ought to include Marshall’s (and most other amps) too then. As the overwhelming majority of valve guitar amps follow the arrangements typified by the 5F6A tweed Bassman or the AB763 Twin Reverb. That could be true . I’ve only mostly owned Fender amps thus far. I still have the stock tubes in my Marshall dsl and my only other non fender amp I had was a peavey Classic 30 for about 3 days.
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Post by pcalu on Apr 20, 2021 6:00:00 GMT -5
So the tube rolling continued. The preamp tubes seemed a tad noisy and a little tired. I had some JJs still new in the box. I put in all new 12ax7s and a new rectifier tube. What a difference . Not only does the clean sound better (crisper) , but the crunch sounds even better. I guess I really like JJs in Fender preamps . I’m sticking with the Tung Sols though for power tubes though. They sound great. JJ’s sound really good in Fenders... pretty much my go to tube these days. Although I found the new long plate Mullard 12ax7 to be very nice in a Fender that has high head headroom. That said I believe JJ has a long plate 12ax7 too... I going try that tube shortly
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Post by Leftee on Apr 20, 2021 7:08:46 GMT -5
The JJ long plate is the ecc803s. I like ‘em in heads (V1 position - I usually don’t mess with the rest except maybe the PI). I’ve never had much luck with long plate tubes in combos, so I don’t even go there these days.
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Post by rdr on May 31, 2021 4:43:19 GMT -5
This thread reminds me that I should check the bias on my new Marshall Origin 50 head.
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