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Post by gato on Apr 19, 2021 6:22:18 GMT -5
Two more folks have died in a self driving Tesla. In this Texas case, one person was in the passenger seat playing charades and another in the back seat was doing who knows what. The crash occurred when the Tesla came around a curve and got distracted by a discarded water heater climbing a tree (at least that's what its little brain thought it saw). Reached for comment at one of his 37 homes, Elon Musk said that his engineers were considering alternatives to terms like "auto pilot," "look Ma, no hands," and "suicide mode." He added that his goal of hands free everything is lurching forward unchecked. "We are about to announce the arrival of the self watching television, he said, "along with automated tattoo robots that do their owners' ink while they sleep. You switch it on, go to sleep and wake up the next morning with a tattoo of a spider web on your face. It's pretty cool." www.click2houston.com/news/local/2021/04/18/2-men-dead-after-fiery-tesla-crash-in-spring-officials-say/ |
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Post by matryx81 on Apr 19, 2021 6:48:27 GMT -5
I do not trust the idea of self-driving cars.
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Post by Mfitz804 on Apr 19, 2021 7:36:48 GMT -5
I do not trust the idea of self-driving cars. On the one hand I agree, on the other hand, millions of accidents are caused by human error all the time. I don’t know if it will be better, but it’s definitely worse? I guess only time will tell. |
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Post by Leftee on Apr 19, 2021 7:41:50 GMT -5
I do not trust the idea of self-driving cars. I don’t trust them yet. What was really disturbing was that it took the FD 4 hours to put the fire out. Do these vehicles need a fire suppression system? |
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Post by Ayns on Apr 19, 2021 11:01:44 GMT -5
Gato, I know your op was firmly "tongue in cheek", but I've been reading about this on the BBC, and Tesla's "Autopilot" mode is not intended to be self-driving, and requires the driver to be "fully alert and in control at all times"
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Post by Leftee on Apr 19, 2021 11:07:00 GMT -5
Gato, I know your op was firmly "tongue in cheek", but I've been reading about this on the BBC, and Tesla's "Autopilot" mode is not intended to be self-driving, and requires the driver to be "fully alert and in control at all times" Yes - this is really a stupid persons story. High-tech Darwinism. |
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Post by Mfitz804 on Apr 19, 2021 11:30:01 GMT -5
That’s the real problem with it. Stupid people will hear “self driving car”, will try it and see it works, and they’ll pay less attention.
Until it doesn’t work and you perish in a fiery crash. But of course at that point, too late.
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Post by Leftee on Apr 19, 2021 11:39:01 GMT -5
I saw that the deceased were 59 and 69. At what age should one know better?
I suspect they’ve been living on borrowed time for decades.
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Post by modbus on Apr 19, 2021 11:55:02 GMT -5
Gato, I know your op was firmly "tongue in cheek", but I've been reading about this on the BBC, and Tesla's "Autopilot" mode is not intended to be self-driving, and requires the driver to be "fully alert and in control at all times"
If I read the article correctly, there was no one in the driver's seat. If so, that seems like the sort of thing a self driving car could detect, and stop driving. That would be on Tesla.
I have a riding mower from 1996 that will shut the engine off if you get out of the seat.
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Post by moose0130 on Apr 19, 2021 12:04:28 GMT -5
I do not trust the idea of self-driving cars. I don’t trust them yet. What was really disturbing was that it took the FD 4 hours to put the fire out. Do these vehicles need a fire suppression system? Others here will have significantly more knowledge than me on this topic but will offer a few thoughts: 1. A lithium ion battery fire is a bad situation. I think they have their own source of oxygen and so basically can continue to reignite over and over again. 2. I don't think any traditional fire suppression system would be effective. Certainly the one we use in our race car is really designed to simply buy the occupants more time to exit the vehicle safely than preserve the car from burning. Talking about extra seconds, not minutes. Regarding autonomous driving: I'd consider it a huge win if we could simply reach a place where autonomous driving was safely in place for interstate highways. While the speeds are higher the number of complex inputs and factors for the system to manage seem to be comparatively small and my instinct is could be safer overall than human drivers struggling with attention span, fatigue, etc. |
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Post by Mfitz804 on Apr 19, 2021 12:21:28 GMT -5
I saw that the deceased were 59 and 69. At what age should one know better? I suspect they’ve been living on borrowed time for decades. Not all knowledge is age related. There are plenty of stupid older people. |
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Post by Mfitz804 on Apr 19, 2021 12:22:13 GMT -5
Gato, I know your op was firmly "tongue in cheek", but I've been reading about this on the BBC, and Tesla's "Autopilot" mode is not intended to be self-driving, and requires the driver to be "fully alert and in control at all times"
If I read the article correctly, there was no one in the driver's seat. If so, that seems like the sort of thing a self driving car could detect, and stop driving. That would be on Tesla.
I have a riding mower from 1996 that will shut the engine off if you get out of the seat.
That is very true, and could potentially leave them on the hook in a lawsuit. |
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Post by gato on Apr 19, 2021 12:35:03 GMT -5
Tesla owner just bought a .45 autoloader pistol.
"To take advantage of the autoloading feature, I put my new .45 the kitchen table, with a magazine and a box of bullets before I went to bed.
The next morning I came downstairs; the gun still wasn't loaded. I'm taking it back to the gun store."
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Post by RufusTeleStrat on Apr 19, 2021 13:43:49 GMT -5
My truck has lane keeping and distance pacing cruise control, but if it does not detect hands on the wheel it will alert you to pay attention and fly right.
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Post by matryx81 on Apr 19, 2021 16:12:42 GMT -5
That’s the real problem with it. Stupid people will hear “self driving car”, will try it and see it works, and they’ll pay less attention. Until it doesn’t work and you perish in a fiery crash. But of course at that point, too late. I thought I read a story some years ago about this happening to guy, but in an RV. High-tech Darwinism indeed. |
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Post by JDC on Apr 19, 2021 16:26:51 GMT -5
It would be interesting to see what the "driver" did to disable or fool the auto steer system into not shutting the feature down. As was mentioned, previously, doing something along those lines qualifies one for a 21st century Darwin Award nomination.
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Post by tahitijack on Apr 19, 2021 20:04:24 GMT -5
Two people are dead.
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Post by Leftee on Apr 19, 2021 20:05:35 GMT -5
Yes... needlessly so.
And the death toll could have been higher.
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Post by drifter on Apr 20, 2021 7:31:59 GMT -5
Took a short road trip over the weekend. Passed a semi with all the ads for drivers/teams on the rear doors of the trailer. Looked over at the driver as I passed...there was no driver.
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Post by modbus on Apr 20, 2021 8:07:20 GMT -5
Early documentary on self driving cars:
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Post by Leftee on Apr 20, 2021 8:20:14 GMT -5
That’s what I love about this place. It’s rich in historical perspective.
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Post by Auf Kiltre on Apr 20, 2021 15:08:52 GMT -5
One of the victims was a doctor affiliated with the hospital system I go through.
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Post by 6l6 on Apr 20, 2021 17:27:29 GMT -5
My SIL bought a new Tesla Model S about five years ago. The car has been 100% trouble free. However...
No one else in his family will ride in it because they get carsick.
Much has been written about this (Google is your friend), but the bottomline is that the regenerative braking causes the problem. Tesla offers a software option to lessen the regenerative braking effect, but that also shortens the range the car can go.
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Post by modbus on Apr 20, 2021 18:09:59 GMT -5
It looks like the article has been updated -- Elon Musk is saying autopilot wasn't enabled and the car didn't have full self driving capability.
Perhaps there was a driver who wasn't hurt and left the scene right after the accident???
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Post by Leftee on Apr 20, 2021 18:11:06 GMT -5
The plot thickens.
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