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Post by zenland on Apr 23, 2021 16:37:57 GMT -5
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Post by Peegoo 🏁 on Apr 23, 2021 17:24:15 GMT -5
I wonder what it gives you that a modern two-point vibrato bridge does not.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2021 17:27:13 GMT -5
I remember seeing this a while back. I like that it fits with major changes and has a threaded cuff (like a floyd rose) that can fix the bar in one position or leave it swinging
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Post by zenland on Apr 23, 2021 17:49:37 GMT -5
Peegoo! I know you're right because you can float the two point vibrato. But, you're hitting wood at some point pulling UP!
The Vega system stays horizontal and (because of the bridge size) won't hit any wood when using the tremolo effect!
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Post by Peegoo 🏁 on Apr 23, 2021 19:00:03 GMT -5
ohhhhh gotcha!
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Post by DrKev on Apr 24, 2021 10:43:20 GMT -5
Yes, as said above, greater range of motion apparently. In terms of tuning stability I'd expect it to be the same. I also wonder if wear and tear is distributed along the entire edge length, which might be an advantage over the two small knife edges on two-point trems.
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Post by Peegoo 🏁 on Apr 24, 2021 11:26:09 GMT -5
^^^ Good points, Doctor. I've wanted to try something like this for many years: ball bearings in line, or an axle.
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Post by zenland on Apr 24, 2021 14:49:19 GMT -5
It should be here sometime next week!
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Post by funkykikuchiyo on Apr 25, 2021 9:31:58 GMT -5
Maybe not many design gains to be had over a typical two point trem, but if you machine it well enough and use harder materials, you can get those knife edges to be a bit more precise. Those screws look dramatically different, so it is possible there are gains being made there. Knife edge fulcrum is (to the best of my understanding) the best option so long as the materials hold up.
My biggest concern is that it looks like it has very little mass, but the pictures could be deceiving. It might end up having that kinda thin sound some floyds or the wilkinsons are prone to. If they used some very dense material for the block or base plate it might be fine, though. I'm also curious how much flutter they get.
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Post by DrKev on Apr 25, 2021 14:00:23 GMT -5
My Music Man Cutlass block is machined aluminum. My Silhouette Special has a brass block. Eyes closed, you can't tell the difference.
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Post by Seldom Seen on Apr 26, 2021 10:42:28 GMT -5
I'm intrigued and on the cusp of a retool of my Partscaster currently equipped with a Callaham bridge and trem. I'll anxiously await a zenland update.
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Post by zenland on Apr 26, 2021 12:14:24 GMT -5
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Post by zenland on Apr 26, 2021 15:19:16 GMT -5
OK-Got the Vega-Trem today and overall it looks like a serious piece of kit! It has some weight and looks very well designed and put together! I've seen some videos on assembly so, should be easy!
This is copied from their Details page, for Peegoo and funkykikuchiyo.
"The patented VT system (ES 1119430 U) is based on two basic principles: the adaptation of the bridge dimensions to the existing standard cavity in the ST models and the bridge pivoting system. Adapting the dimensions aims to allow the bridge to freely enter into the cavity of the guitar body by pulling the whammy bar back (tensioning the strings) and requires a redesign of the complete assembly (saddles, plate and block). To optimize the movement of the bridge, the pivotal center of action has been changed by adding a part (fulcrum) that replaced the traditional concept of support on screws, giving more amplitude to that movement. The shape of the point of support of the plate on the fulcrum has also been changed, minimizing friction, which is practically non-existent. The result is a homogeneous action very pleasing to the musical performance totally free of unwanted noises. (It is recommended to use low friction nuts and locking tuners)."
Guess I'm going to get some locking tuners. I'm putting this on an Eric Johnson Strat.
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Post by walshb 🦒 on Apr 26, 2021 20:29:07 GMT -5
Guess I'm going to get some locking tuners. I'm putting this on an Eric Johnson Strat. My Ultra Jazzmaster has them, and now I'm tempted to put them on several other guitars, also. Keeping the nut lubricated, along with the locking tuners, yields great results IMO. Maybe a Graphtec nut is in order....? I have a set of nut files if you need to borrow them!
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Post by zenland on Apr 27, 2021 19:13:59 GMT -5
Bill-Yes on the files and Thanks!
OK, putting the VT together was a little more demanding than I thought it would be. It will need some more tweaking and I know a good tech if I can't get the job done!
Seldom Seen-Don't know how much of an update I can offer. But, here goes. I like the unit and the Strat definitely sounds more open/clear with all pick ups and combinations(2/4). Using my Marshall SV20C with a Belle Epoch delay on the front and a Boss SD-1 in the loop to knock some volume down was a lot of fun! Absolutely Sounded great clean or boosted.
Nothing wrong with the EJ block or springs just looking to try something different!
the new unit!
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Post by zenland on Apr 28, 2021 12:33:15 GMT -5
Nothing wrong with the EJ block or springs just looking to try something different! I wanted to edit my last post and it kept showing. Alert. Sorry time's up! Anyway the only thing wrong with the EJ block is the whammy bar I broke off in it! lol
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2021 18:25:03 GMT -5
Oh wow. There is a way to get the broken piece out, I've done it...took some time
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Post by zenland on Apr 28, 2021 18:52:52 GMT -5
Oh wow. There is a way to get the broken piece out, I've done it...took some time I bought some easy out bits (many years ago) and while I understand the idea! It's been in there at least 14 years. I question my ability to be successful now.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2021 19:39:03 GMT -5
I have limited tools, but I drilled a hole around 1 o'clock into the stuck bar piece and then steered it out with an awl, turning it like a steering wheel, some wd40, etc. Wasn't fun, but rewarding when it started turning lol. I should add, I'm not aggressive with the bar, was trying to bend it while in the block to give it less of an angle and it broke. I usually have a 2x4, with a hole the size of the bar and put it in there to bend em
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Post by Mike the marksman on May 3, 2021 10:20:38 GMT -5
It'd be alot neater if they hadn't gone with the threaded collar arm attachment, which is clunky on Floyds. I like Gotoh's system on their 510 tremolo more
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