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Post by ninworks on May 27, 2021 5:46:28 GMT -5
I've been all over Reverb.com looking for a 12 string acoustic. Don't want to spend a lot of money on one. I have seen a number of different Yamaha models ranging from $250 - $650. I know nothing about their acoustic guitar quality but have been impressed with just about every other musical instrument I have ever played that was a Yamaha from electric keyboards to grand pianos to electric guitars. They make a pretty darn good motorcycle too. Anyone know anything about their 12 string acoustics?
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Post by FlyonNylon on May 27, 2021 6:35:29 GMT -5
I'm interested in picking up an inexpensive 12-string that would be tonally acceptable (ie, good intonation, stays in tune) for the studio as well. In my experience you can't really go wrong with Yamaha products from guitars/pianos to motorcycles/boats and everything in between. I've played a friend's Seagull S12 and it plays pretty well but for the price I'd wager an equivalent Yami would be better..
I have a Yamaha AC3R and while my D18 is technically a better guitar at 3x the price in terms of intonation and volume, the Yamaha still does everything really well, probably gets more overall playtime and is a great value.
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Post by funkykikuchiyo on May 27, 2021 8:57:48 GMT -5
Yamaha is the king for those price points.
If looking used, I'd just make sure the neck angle is okay. On the older instruments, '70s-'80s, the neck angle is more likely to be bad than good. I've seen no issues with recent model years, though.
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Post by Ragtop on May 28, 2021 3:56:30 GMT -5
Yamaha is good. Also, Ibanez is making some really nice entry-level guitars these days. Bet they make a 12-string.
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Post by Larry Madsen on May 29, 2021 22:41:41 GMT -5
This Epiphone jumbo has treated me well and falls in the price range. Granted I bought this 10 to 15 years ago off eBay, used. DSC_2216 by Larry Madsen, on Flickr
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Post by ninworks on May 30, 2021 7:55:23 GMT -5
I decided against a 12 string. Being primarily an electric guitar player I am a wimp and most acoustics give me fits when playing them. A 12 string acoustic could likely be a gargantuan issue for me. I decided to buy another cheap acoustic and string it with Nashville Tuning and just overdub that over the top of a regular acoustic track to make the 12 string sound happen. That will also give other options for chord voicings and such. I can make due with that and it won't annoy me as much.
I found a guy on Craigslist that has 2 Sigma guitars. A DM3 and a DM4 and I get to choose which one I want for $300. Heck, I may buy both then sell the one I don't bond with. It's been quite a while since I bought a guitar and I'm starting to G.A.S. a bit.
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Post by ninworks on May 30, 2021 17:56:28 GMT -5
I bought the DM3. The DM4 had structural issues. A big hump in the fingerboard where the neck joins the body. The DM3 plays great and sounds good too. A nice guitar for $300. I'm assuming it had a pickup in it at some point because the strap button is missing and there is a hole where it should be. Gotta come up with something for that.
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Post by ninworks on May 31, 2021 11:14:45 GMT -5
I got it all strung up and installed a strap button. I had to adjust the truss rod but that's no biggie. Other than that the only remaining issue is the G string buzzes when fretting a note on the second fret. It's fine everywhere else. I don't have the tools or experience to mess with that so I'll take it into my tech when I pick up the Danno and Ric from him.
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Post by Auf Kiltre on May 31, 2021 13:45:15 GMT -5
I'd like to try the Nashville tuning myself, maybe on my little Yamaha parlor. But I'm guessing there'd likely be nut issues with the lighter gauge strings. Guess it's a small investment to try and see.
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Post by ninworks on May 31, 2021 14:33:33 GMT -5
I have done it on 2 guitars now. This one and the 6 string neck on my Danelectro doubleneck. Neither required any nut work. All I had to do was adjust the truss rod a bit. I have a bunch of guitars so I figured it would be a good idea to have an electric I used for that only. I'll bet a Tele would be a great choice for that tuning with as much sheen as they tend to have.
I used electric guitar strings for the acoustic mod. The strings I used for this guitar were singles I had left over from my gigging days in case I broke a string. I'm not gigging with it so it doesn't have to be thunderously loud just easy to play. I'm such a wuss.
The gauges I used were;
High E - .009 B - .011 G - .009 D - .011 A - .016 Lo E - .024
I used the lighter strings because I'm a wimp. Playing electric so much for so long has ruined me for acoustic strings. If you want a stiffer feel you can use bonafide acoustic strings. Use a D, G, B, and high E, string from a regular set for the low strings and you should be fine. You can probably do a search online to get an idea of some different gauge strings to use. The G string tends to be the one to be concerned about. It has to be tuned up quite a bit and it needs to be able to handle the tension. If you have any burrs on the saddle it will break in short order.
It's a trip playing that tuning. The low E string becomes much more inclusive for finding interesting voicings.
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Post by tiller2 on Aug 16, 2021 20:38:26 GMT -5
I just entered the 12-string club by buying a 1980s Guild JF-65-12BL--an acoustic model that in other years was designated F-512 Maple. At $1600, it was not inexpensive, but it was a good deal. I saw an CL ad by elderly gentleman (87) who said his fingertips were not tough enough anymore to fret all those strings. I guess I responded first but he said he liked the idea of selling to a songwriter. I'm still getting used to it, but it does have a big, jangly sound.
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Post by Peegoo 🏁 on Aug 17, 2021 1:41:12 GMT -5
Yamahas are fantastic at all levels.
No matter which brand you get, keep it tuned D to D (a full step down from standard) and capo the 2nd fret to play standard chords.
The reason is the ridiculous tension created by the strings: most acoustic 12s begin to turn into a taco and disassemble themselves over time. Down-tuning it saves the guitar from itself.
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Post by tiller2 on Aug 17, 2021 7:47:53 GMT -5
Thanks for the tip, Peegoo. I've put mine in Eb but maybe D is even better. Less tension and more compatible with "guitar keys."
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Post by matryx81 on Aug 17, 2021 18:59:10 GMT -5
The reason is the ridiculous tension created by the strings: most acoustic 12s begin to turn into a taco and disassemble themselves over time. Down-tuning it saves the guitar from itself. Any idea if this applies to basses? I have an 8-string bass, but I also like lighter strings as well. I find it somewhat amusing to see/hear of 8-string basses with only one truss rod. I think at least Musicvox puts 2 in theirs.
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Post by jeffscott on Aug 20, 2021 14:55:30 GMT -5
Yamaha is the king for those price points. If looking used, I'd just make sure the neck angle is okay. On the older instruments, '70s-'80s, the neck angle is more likely to be bad than good. I've seen no issues with recent model years, though.That would make sense as they are newer.
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Post by funkykikuchiyo on Aug 21, 2021 12:19:57 GMT -5
Yamaha is the king for those price points. If looking used, I'd just make sure the neck angle is okay. On the older instruments, '70s-'80s, the neck angle is more likely to be bad than good. I've seen no issues with recent model years, though.That would make sense as they are newer. Yes, but age isn't the only issue. You can see that stuff begin to go wonky within a couple years if it is prone to having problems, especially if the instrument is abused. Plus, many of the older ones had borderline neck angles when they were new, and that is corrected.
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Post by willie on Apr 3, 2022 15:58:54 GMT -5
IMO..no one has ever made a better 12 string for tone and playability and now with three different price points available, than Guild...which is why most pro players who employ the 12 string play the Guild F-512. The F-1512 and F2512 are the less expensive versions and are incredible instruments to say the least and are most affordable. Again...JMO based on a lot of experience with 12 strings.
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Post by rickyguitar on Apr 3, 2022 18:00:10 GMT -5
Best 12 string I ever played was a 70's Guild jumbo. Absolutely fantastic. I will see if I can find a pic.
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Post by willie on Apr 4, 2022 8:06:04 GMT -5
Yep, that would be F-512..legendary instrument.
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