professor
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Post by professor on Oct 9, 2021 9:55:49 GMT -5
My fretting / left hand thumb has developed a dry, cracked skin during the summer. I had thought it was related to a rough edge on the screen cover for my phone, but persisted after I replaced that, so the next obvious activity is guitar playing. I had my annual dermatologist appointment yesterday and asked her. She was all excited to deal with something different than the usual, so she grabbed a big reference book on skin irritants. I mentioned nitrocellulose lacquer, but that was a nothing, however, the mention of frets and strings which may have nickel in them came up as a big sensitizer. She gave me an Rx for a cortizone cream, so we'll see how that goes.
So, has anyone here run across a similar problem? The other culprits could also be fretboard woods and I'm also wondering about fretboard conditioners that are more than just lemon oil. I had cleaned several boards prior to the skin issue, so I'm also suspicious of that material. It was a bottle of Gibson fretboard conditioner, which does contain petroleum distillate of some sort.
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Post by Peegoo 🏁 on Oct 9, 2021 10:07:04 GMT -5
I would guess if it were a nickel allergy (Jescar EVO fret wire is nickel free), you'd have it on your other fingers too. The alloy used for the EVO frets was originally developed for eyeglass frames for people sensitive to nickel.
Has your diet changed? Have you been peeling more oranges/tangerines than usual?
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Post by professor on Oct 9, 2021 11:01:17 GMT -5
I would guess if it were a nickel allergy (Jescar EVO fret wire is nickel free), you'd have it on your other fingers too. The alloy used for the EVO frets was originally developed for eyeglass frames for people sensitive to nickel. Has your diet changed? Have you been peeling more oranges/tangerines than usual? Nothing unusual. As I do have seasonal pollen allergies probably more sensitive. Played with sweaty hands when it was summer, but that's not out of the ordinary either. Maybe it ultimately was the decaying iPhone cover setting the whole thing off, as its ragged edge was causing barely noticeable small slices/scratches on the thumb as I held it.
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Post by saltyseadog on Oct 13, 2021 3:56:21 GMT -5
Never had any sort of contact dermatitis on my hands but learned the hard way not to wipe my eyes with my fingers during or after playing guitar as it gave me a type of conjunctivitis. Never really figured out whether it was dead skin flakes or the oil that gets squeezed out after a string change but I would get very itchy/bleary eyed.
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Post by funkykikuchiyo on Oct 13, 2021 10:30:33 GMT -5
20 years working on guitars, and the only time I've had anyone complain about any of this was a customer with multiple chemical sensitivities and complained about the last time her instrument was worked on she had problems and didn't want anything weird used. My best guess is that it was an auto-detailing spray a former co-worker liked to use in lieu of guitar polish as it was a bit stinky. Some of the fingerboard conditioners are unnecessarily fancy (you aren't "conditioning" anything, you're just applying a light finish), so you could try switching away. I use Howard's Feed'n'Wax and have had zero complaints, and they also make a butcher block version that is stripped down. Those aren't high on my radar though since it is your thumb and not your fingers having problems.
Woods can cause problems, but once the wood is innate to a finished piece they do very little unless the allergy is rather severe. If you were sanding/cutting it then the dust can be pretty gnarly, mostly on your respiratory system but also your skin.
Traditional finishes are organic and can (in theory) have allergic reactions, like real tung oil and so on. It doesn't sound like that would apply in this case.
Agree with Peegoo on the nickel - plus, there's at least some nickel in a lot of guitar strings, so the left hand thumb would probably be the last digit to have problems if you ever play sans pick.
Are you using any weird polishes/lubes/fast fret/whatever when you play? Anything weird in the case that could get onto the neck (tried cleaning it with carpet cleaner at some point or something)?
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Post by stevedallman on Nov 15, 2021 10:02:53 GMT -5
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Post by stevedallman on Nov 15, 2021 10:13:58 GMT -5
My Wife has lifelong, terrible excema on her arms. Nothing helped. Her arms always looked awful. Precription and over the counter products did not help. We were in Israel three years ago and got to swim in the Dead Sea. She rubbed the mud on her arms. When she got out and washed off, her excema was gone and her arms looked normal. It lasted a few weeks. When we got home I ordered some "Kendoderm" soap...made from Dead Sea mud. She still uses it, and while she still has the condition, it is under control from the soap. She only uses the soap once a week. www.amazon.com/Kenkoderm-Psoriasis-Dead-Argan-Butter/dp/B07VMJM2Q9
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Post by twangmeister on Nov 18, 2021 10:44:55 GMT -5
Hey Steve, good to see you back.
Since you mentioned the Dead Sea and skin diseases, I'll mention a past patient of mine. Years ago I was working in an Army Family Practice clinic when I treated an Israeli_American spouse of an Army soldier. She had some ongoing issues with psoriasis. Our treatment in those days consisted of steroid creams or ointments and UV light. She told me that while living in Israel she spent time at a Dead Sea resort twice a yearspending her time in its waters or sunbathing per her dermatologist's instructions. This kept her severe psoriasis under control. Obviously the concentrated salts and solar UV were as or more beneficial than anything I was able to prescribe. Too bad I couldn't write a prescription to send her back to Israel for a vaycay
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Post by dadzmad on Nov 18, 2021 12:35:55 GMT -5
The lady who had my Baja Tele was very allergic to nickel and had the neck re-fretted with EVO. If the store had not mentioned this, I would not have ever noticed anything different except maybe the frets have a yellow cast.
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Post by reverendrob on Nov 28, 2021 4:32:01 GMT -5
I have body chemistry that will rust some stainless - my carry handguns look like they've been through wars.
I kill strings in SHORT order if I don't clean my hands first and the strings after and use stainless out of preference as they last a LOT longer.
I'm still at a couple dozen sets of Fender's discontinued stainless strings thankfully.
The only non-stainless strings I've touched in almost 30 years are the Cleartone coated that were stock on my Les Paul HPs, and I put up with changing them occasionally (more than the stainless strings) because I did not want to screw with ANYTHING about of the tone I was getting - I haven't even ever adjusted pickup height because of that!
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Post by gbfun on Jan 4, 2022 7:01:58 GMT -5
So...you play acid rock all the time ?
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