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Post by ninworks on Nov 11, 2021 7:20:57 GMT -5
Since I had such great results from the wider neck I got for my Strat, I was wondering if there was such thing for a Danelectro 12 string. I have a 6-12 doubleneck and the 12 string is 1-3/4" wide at the nut. Not terrible but it would better for me if it were 1-7/8" wide. Since that 12 string is probably the best sounding electric 12 string I have ever played I would like to use it more but the nut width is prohibitive for me.
Does anyone know if there is a company that makes a wider neck for a Dano? I sent Musikraft an email but haven't received a reply yet.
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Post by Peegoo 🏁 on Nov 14, 2021 0:06:11 GMT -5
I know of no off-the-shelf aftermarket necks for the Dano. Jerry Jones in Nashville used to do this stuff, but the company ceased production 10 years ago. The neck heel and attachment configuration are different, compared to the industry-standard Fender scheme. Musicraft and Warmoth would be able to make you one as a special order, but it would not be cheap. If anyone can point you to a supplier, it's DanGuitars. Click here: www.danguitars.com/contact
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Post by ninworks on Nov 14, 2021 11:09:37 GMT -5
Thanks Peegoo. I'll check with them.
I did get a reply from Musikraft stating that they cannot do it right now but after January they may be able to. That probably has to do with their current backlog and perhaps supply issues. I know it will not be inexpensive. The single neck will probably cost as much, or close to as much, as the guitar did in the first place. Mine was a gift so I can afford to put some money into it. I just love the way this thing sounds so I am willing to pay for it. Musikraft did state that they wouldn't be able to make one in the standard 25" scale length. It would have to be either 24-3/4" or 25-1/2". I don't know if changing the scale length would make much difference in the sound but the shorter length may lighten up the feel and be easier to play. I'm all about that. The 25-1/2" scale would give me slightly more room between the frets and that would also be an advantage. I just don't know if I could find a light enough string gauge to make up the difference in the feel without having to buy singles and make my own custom string sets.
Does anyone know where I can get an aluminum nut in a 1-7/8" width? This guitar has aluminum nuts on it and I'm thinking that may be a large contributor to the sound it has so I'd like to retain that if possible.
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Post by Peegoo 🏁 on Nov 14, 2021 14:38:59 GMT -5
If Musicraft cannot match the 25" scale, you will probably need to relocate the bridge if you lack the intonation range with it in its current location.
If you cannot find an aluminum nut blank that length, any decent tech can make one from 1/8" thick aluminum bar stock.
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Post by Ragpicker on Dec 11, 2021 10:37:53 GMT -5
I had an early , year unknown Dano Bellazouki 12 string that was a wonderful sounding axe. It was stolen at a gig and I've always missed it. Good luck on your quest.
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Post by funkykikuchiyo on Dec 14, 2021 9:41:27 GMT -5
It would get pretty expensive, but building a new one with the old one as inspiration might just as productive as replacing the neck. Neck replacement is going to alter the tone, doubly so when a replacement would likely be dramatically different than the original - counter productive if the whole point was that you loved the tone of the original.
How could the original be duplicated? Hollow/semi-hollow body, lipstick pickups, light hardware, scale length as close to original as possible... am I missing anything else? I'd skip the aluminum nut, personally.
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Post by Wrnchbndr on Dec 14, 2021 13:55:48 GMT -5
Aluminum nuts are a cost saving measure by certain manufacturers. Aluminum loads up and can ruin nut files or at the very least result in needing to spend a tediously long time trying to clean up a clogged file. For the common guitar tweeter, brass is much better to work with. Order yourself a 1 foot length of 1/8th inch X 3/16th inch thick ultra machinable brass from McMasterCarr.com. Any accomplished luthier should be able to make you a neck if you’re able to provide them with the one you have but it won’t be cheap. There is a bit of wiggle room on most production guitars to place the outer E-strings further apart and increase your string spacing at the nut. Also with 12-string guitars, the distance between the individual string pairs is conservatively wide - the paired strings can actually be closer together. If you’re perky with nut fabrication and can secure economical multiple blanks for trial and error, I think it would be worth the time trying spacing strategies. It doesn’t take much of a change to yield a noticeable difference. If you want to get technical, Harbor Freight sells accurate digital micrometers for around $20. Push the overall E to E string width out by .050” and then narrow the distance between paired strings by 30%. See what the outcome is.
I like the string spacing gauge from StewMac. There are some advanced procedures that you can employ with this tool for spacing strings on 12 sting nuts. I will not space any stringed instrument without this tool. I misplaced it once and after trying to find it for two days ordered another one. I will not slot nuts without one.
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Post by ninworks on Dec 17, 2021 9:18:30 GMT -5
Thanks. That's a good idea. I have moved the nut slots out on 6 strings but never a 12 string. Moving the close strings closer together makes sense too as long as I can get away with it without any interference. Definitely worth a try.
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Post by Wrnchbndr on Dec 22, 2021 13:59:14 GMT -5
In performing a number of nut replacements over the years and recently building a number of electric mandolins and electric octave mandolins, I took some time to play around with string spacing and was surprised to find out that paired strings can actually be be put significantly closer together than you typically found on production instruments. This is going to vary depending on the player’s desire but I’ve never had a customer return with an issue. Getting the raw 1/8” brass stock for a nut eliminates the feeling of waste so if you botch a nut and need to throw it in the trash you dont feel bad. I think the potential result is worth the adventure.
McMasterCarr.com / Raw Materials / Copper, Brass and Bronze / Ultra Machinable 360 Brass Bars / Thickness 1/8” / Use 1/4 or 3/8” depending on your requirement. Its so cheap to get a decent length and have enough of this stuff to make nuts for years. Brass nuts were a craze in the ‘70s. Properly done, they are very good for nuts that do not have large excursion angles to the tuner posts Fenders as compared to Gibson 3X3 headstocks. The Dano headstock isn’t that bad. The Dano electric 12-string is one of, if not the best electric 12-string guitars that have passed over my bench despite it being a rather simple barbaric construction. For a working performer, I’d take a Dano over a Ric any day.
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Post by ninworks on Dec 22, 2021 16:19:39 GMT -5
I had a Rick 460 12 string back in the day and the Dano blows it away on all fronts. Sound, playability, and tuning stability. I have very wide fingers so the Rick was all but impossible for me to play.
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