mikem
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Post by mikem on Jan 1, 2022 12:00:20 GMT -5
Recently, I was having a conversation with my mid 20's son (professionally-employed engineer) about his car. It's old, it's reliable, and...... it's paid for. He recently spent $$$ on four new tires.
He told me that he would like to get a new car (who wouldn't?) and asked me for my thoughts.
He went on to say: "so and so has a BMW, so and so has a Mercedes, and so on". The mentioned "so and so's" are same-aged friends of his. (Nice kids with student debt, car loans, expensive apartments, two vacations a year, professionally employed but zero going into retirement....basically what comes in-goes out.)
I went on to ask him if I could see his car's "title". He said "sure, why?"
Me:
You have your car's title because you own your car, it's YOURS. Me:
Ask your friends (with the spankin' new cars) who holds the title for their cars.....
Son:
Why?
Me:
Because they don't have the title due to the fact that they don't-own-the-car, the dealer has the title because they are making payments (with interest) on them. Me: I'll bet you $100 that your friends can't show me the titles...
Son:
no bet.
(My son's a "numbers guy" so it made sense to him.)
The above coupled with parking a brand new car on a city street in front of an apartment complex may invite some unwanted attention...(theft).
There are different thoughts on what "well to do" means. There is well-to-do AND well-to-do living within your means.
I remember my father having a similar conversation with me when I was his age........
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Post by Vibroluxer on Jan 1, 2022 12:25:08 GMT -5
It took me a long time to learn that debt wasn't my friend.
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Post by Lefty Rev on Jan 1, 2022 12:29:10 GMT -5
Great conversation to have with your son (kids).
I don't know how we did it, but all four of our kids have NO CAR DEBT. My two sons have both worked at car dealerships, so they know all the ins and outs and scams. Both my daughters married guys who hate debt and don't have any ego need to drive a new car.
I've been in and out of (minor) debt over the years, most of which I regret. Today, we're headed into retirement (in the next two years) with NO DEBT. The one major expense we will face at retirement is housing; we'll need to buy a home (or rent something) because I'm a minister living in a church parsonage... but I will also have a clergy tax benefit in retirement: my actual housing expenses will be income tax free, a helpful perk that continues into retirement.
No debt feels really good. (We happen to be driving cars that are 7 and 14 years old; both are well maintained, clean and rust free, and run well).
HAPPY (DEBT FREE) NEW YEAR!
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Post by Taildragger on Jan 1, 2022 13:42:17 GMT -5
Of the 19 vehicles I've owned during my lifetime, only two came into my possession as new cars (trucks, actually): bought both of those outright. Didn't buy the first one til I was 36. Bought the second one the year before I retired.
I've always felt that buying stuff on time constitutes paying for it more than once. Have always paid off my credit cards on time to avoid the interest. Mortgages are the only loans I've ever taken out because that was unavoidable, given my income.
Now that I'm retired, our house is paid off and we're debt free. That's a lucky thing, since the cost of living here in CA is high and the size of my retirement allotment is nothing to crow about.
I will say that being willing/able to perform your own routine maintenance and minor repairs is almost a must if you want reliable transportation that makes economic sense out of a used car, especially if your means are limited. I always put in the time because I didn't always have the money to pay someone else to do it. I enjoy working on mechanical things anyhow, so it never felt like a burden. I was brought up to think it was just something guys do.
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Post by ninworks on Jan 1, 2022 15:14:03 GMT -5
I have never owned a new car in my life. I've only had 2 that were even in the same decade when I bought them. I have only bought one vehicle on time and that was simply because we had to have one and didn't have the money. We paid it off in 2 years. My dad owned and was a mechanic in his own repair garage. I started working there during the summers when I was 9. Started off sweeping floors then began washing parts. By the time I was 12 I was doing tune ups and brake jobs. When I graduated from college I worked for him for 5 years full time. He decided to retire and sold the business so I went into motorcycle repair and did that for 30 years until I retired.
I have always had the ability to repair just about anything that would ever go wrong with a vehicle. The only thing that would hinder me was if I didn't have the necessary equipment and I could find ways around that most of the time.
I don't have any kind of ego or desire to be seen driving a new vehicle. All of mine are in excellent condition with the only exception being my old 98 GMC pickup. It is in excellent mechanical condition but the interior is shot and the paint is falling off. It makes a good farm truck but I wouldn't hesitate to drive it cross-country if I had to. A vehicle, to me, is just a way to get from point A to point B. Strictly utilitarian.
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Post by Taildragger on Jan 1, 2022 15:20:03 GMT -5
"A vehicle, to me, is just a way to get from point A to point B. Strictly utilitarian."
When it comes to "daily drivers", I couldn't agree more. I've made-do with some some pretty sketchy-looking vehicles.
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GmanNJ
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Post by GmanNJ on Jan 4, 2022 15:21:54 GMT -5
you have remembered the adage "Interest is the Wealth Killer"
Pay off debts with the highest interest first and work your way down. I bought a new car once because I wanted to make sure the wife and kid were in a safe vehicle. After many years working in dealerships and autoparts stores early in my career I learned the "demo" car and leftovers were your friend. They have the same warranty, low mileage and a deep discount. Only problem is you get limited choices- which is fine. You get a like new car with modern styling, well maintained and usually with a few bells and whistles. We keep cars for 10 years and the last few we bought cash to have zero payments or interest. Never regretted it.....
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stl80
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Post by stl80 on Jan 4, 2022 17:26:46 GMT -5
Good advice here. Debt free, including home. Jim
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Post by Peegoo 🏁 on Jan 4, 2022 23:59:53 GMT -5
"Interest is the Wealth Killer" Unless you're the person receiving it
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