|
|
Post by Larry Madsen on Jan 3, 2022 14:56:28 GMT -5
It is becoming so very slow loading up whenever I have to bring it back to life. When I say that I don't mean from a dedicated "shut down" I mean just me showing up after it has shut itself down when left idle. It is taking three or more minutes sometimes to load back up. Here is what I have on the "disc management" screen.  IMG_2756[1] by Larry Madsen, on Flickr I have realized for a while I have one drive that is quite low on free space and I'm guessing that might be the (or at least part of) the problem. Notice the "free space" of only 12% on the D drive. Any thoughts? Recommendation? |
|
|
|
Post by insanecooker on Jan 3, 2022 15:48:11 GMT -5
I doubt that is your issue. Based on the small partition size and the fact it’s labeled “Recovery” I’d imagine there are no system files on that; just what you would need to start things from scratch if needed.
|
|
mroulier
Wholenote
Chemo'd and Radiated!
Posts: 155
|
Post by mroulier on Jan 3, 2022 15:51:17 GMT -5
Is this a Laptop or a desktop?
If it's a desktop, I would go to Power settings and change the "PC goes to sleep" setting to "Never". That should help snap it back to attention a LOT faster.
If it's a laptop, change the "PC Goes to sleep when Plugged in" to Never as well. (as long as you leave it plugged in full time!)
The D drive is a portion saved for HP's recovery tools. That should only kick in if there is a C drive failure. No affect on day-to-day operations. Hope this helps!!
|
|
|
|
Post by themaestro on Jan 3, 2022 17:56:55 GMT -5
Your C: drive is the drive that counts because that is where the operating system lives and runs. It appears to have plenty of space.
How old is the computer? Is the hard drive a rotating disk drive or a solid-state disk (SSD). I have noticed that Windows does a LOT more disk operations than it used to. So much so that the older spinning disk hard drives become a bottleneck because they are just not fast enough for all the disk i/o used by Windows these days.
The advice to keep the computer from sleeping is worthwhile. Also check if the computer sleeps or hibernates when it sleeps from inactivity. Sleep just holds what is currently in memory. If the computer loses power, everything running is lost. If it's a laptop, sleeping still uses some battery power to keep the memory active. When hibernating, memory is written to disk so that if power is lost, data isn't lost. However, waking up from hibernation takes longer because it has to read a big slug of disk data back into memory.
|
|
|
|
Post by Larry Madsen on Jan 3, 2022 18:11:36 GMT -5
Is this a Laptop or a desktop? It's a PC (tower) unit Hmmm, 8 years maybe more. Is there a location I could go to and find out for sure? Is the hard drive a rotating disk drive or a solid-state disk (SSD). I'm pretty certain it is not Solid-State. Could that be easily changed? check if the computer sleeps or hibernates Not sure. How would I check to find out? |
|
|
|
Post by Vibroluxer on Jan 3, 2022 18:34:08 GMT -5
Adding a hard drive is very easy.
The bigger potential issue is you having a Windows install disk. If you have that, you're golden.
|
|
|
|
Post by Larry Madsen on Jan 3, 2022 18:40:49 GMT -5
The bigger potential issue is you having a Windows install disk. If you have that, you're golden. Well, I have the Windows 10 on my machine now from upgrades on their end. Is there no way to get around the disc if I am simply making an upgrade to the same machine on my end? It seems it's the upgrades on their end that are creating a need for me to upgrade on my end.  |
|
|
|
Post by Vibroluxer on Jan 3, 2022 19:09:48 GMT -5
Lol, yep, that's how they make money.
Regarding the disk drive, if you are replacing the original drive, you need a way to get windows on it. I don't know if the HP partition will set up a different drive.
I'm no lawyer but I think that since you have Windows installed, you have a license for it. If that's the case is borrowing a Windows installation disk from a friend illegal or unethical? Personally, I'd be tempted.
|
|
|
|
Post by modbus on Jan 3, 2022 21:21:55 GMT -5
Very recently I cloned a mechanical hard drive on a 14 year old Windows XP laptop that I need to keep running (long story) to a solid state hard drive.
SSDs are roughly 10 times faster than old style drives, and the change in performance and boot time was very noticeable, even on that old dinosaur.
It's not all that hard to do, you just have to put the new drive on a USB interface and run disk cloning software (I used Clonezilla). The cloning software makes and *exact* copy of the the new drive, with all the partition information, OS files, data, etc. It worked perfectly, With no problems whatsoever. The old machine runs exactly like it did before, just faster.
Like I said, it's not that hard to do, but if you think it's over your head, I'd guess it would cost around $200+/-50 (including the cost of the new drive) for a shop to do it for you. That's up to you to decide if the cost is worth it or not.
If you wanted to have a go at it yourself, there are a ton of youtube videos on the subject, and if you have any questions, shoot me a line.
|
|
|
|
Post by modbus on Jan 3, 2022 21:26:44 GMT -5
Here's a video that may interest you:
You currently have a 1TB drive, but you are only using 8% of your main C drive partition. You could easily drop down to a smaller, cheaper SSD for your system without any ill effects, and it would be easier on your wallet.
|
|
|
|
Post by Larry Madsen on Jan 3, 2022 21:51:23 GMT -5
Thanks modbus. My tower is one of those "mini" towers. Says, HP Pavillion Slimline. Would that create any problem finding the right SS hard drive. When we custom built the computer for my Music Room Windows 10 was out, but they installed Windows 7 with the understanding I could upgrade at any time ... which I did. The computer in question here is not that computer. I did find this from that more recent computer purchase.  IMG_2757[1] by Larry Madsen, on Flickr What does that do to our scenario here? Anything? After a quick look on the inner-webs I see Windows 10 can be purchased for about $60.00 |
|
mroulier
Wholenote
Chemo'd and Radiated!
Posts: 155
|
Post by mroulier on Jan 4, 2022 9:20:51 GMT -5
Recheck the Power options for Hibernation and Sleep mode. Hit the magnifying glass and just search "Control Panel", and then "Power". A desktop may not have Hibernation as an option, so just change the "Sleep" options for "Turn hard disk off" to "Never".
If still not helping:
At 8 years old or so, it might behoove you to think about a new desktop. Platter (or spinning) hard drives eventually fail, and slow/erratic performance is one of the signs of imminent failure. So backup what you got to a USB drive and check into getting a new/used system. I bought a Dell Optiplex 7080 from their online Outlet with a 128 GB Solid state drive, Windows 10, 8GB of RAM for $560. I already had a 1TB external drive for all my actual files and documents. This thing boots up in less than a minute!
|
|
|
|
Post by Vibroluxer on Jan 4, 2022 9:34:50 GMT -5
Recheck the Power options for Hibernation and Sleep mode. Hit the magnifying glass and just search "Control Panel", and then "Power". A desktop may not have Hibernation as an option, so just change the "Sleep" options for "Turn hard disk off" to "Never". If still not helping: At 8 years old or so, it might behoove you to think about a new desktop. Platter (or spinning) hard drives eventually fail, and slow/erratic performance is one of the signs of imminent failure. So backup what you got to a USB drive and check into getting a new/used system. I bought a Dell Optiplex 7080 from their online Outlet with a 128 GB Solid state drive, Windows 10, 8GB of RAM for $560. I already had a 1TB external drive for all my actual files and documents. This thing boots up in less than a minute! I 2nd the used Optiplex. I bought a used one from Amazon, very similar to the above for just a little less. Mine lacked the solid state drive but came with 1TB drive and 16GB RAM. Take a look at the first one listed, quite a deal for $245. www.amazon.com/s?k=optiplex&crid=3J2TO647ARAE9&sprefix=optip%2Caps%2C147&ref=nb_sb_ss_ts-doa-p_1_5 |
|
|
|
Post by Larry Madsen on Jan 4, 2022 9:37:14 GMT -5
So backup what you got to a USB drive Yes indeed. I have actually been up early doing exactly that. Woke up at about 2:30 wide awake. I have two external hard drives that I use as storage and fail safe on "saved" information. I cleared my Document, Music, Picture, Video, Desktop folders all to the external. Need to have Queenie search through the Download folder for anything important (she put a lot in there with her 15-month job search) ... thankfully that's over with.  I figure no matter how I approach the fix; I'll need everything set aside and saved externally. When you mention "failure" of the drive it seems I don't hear much going on when I revive it. Memory tells me there should be a sound of it working and a flickering light. Both seem to be anemic. I can say though, once it's up and running it seems to work fairly well. |
|
|
|
Post by modbus on Jan 4, 2022 11:42:22 GMT -5
You may want to download and run the Intel System Support Utility:
It will scan your PC and tell you pretty much everything about it. It will give you the model number of your hard drive, what drivers you have installed, all about your CPU, etc.
After you run the scan, if you select "Detailed View", you can expand "Storage" and you will see your hard drives. You can expand them, and then take a look at the "SMART" data. This is basically information about the overall health of your drives. If you see a lot of big numbers, then your drives might be failing.
However, that being said your C drive seems pretty empty. I'm wondering if there isn't some software or driver that is slowing down the boot up process.
You can take a look at this to see everything that is run during startup for Windows:
|
|
|
|
Post by Larry Madsen on Jan 4, 2022 13:12:44 GMT -5
Your link helped me figure out how to get into this menu ... task manager. Is it odd or is it just me ... I would not think I should have Internet Explore and Microsoft Edge both trying to run at the same time.  IMG_2758[1] by Larry Madsen, on Flickr Do I need to remove Internet Explore? Then there is the 83 other items? |
|
|
|
Post by Vibroluxer on Jan 4, 2022 14:15:32 GMT -5
No, those are t a big deal, but you can kill the process if you want, it won't hurt anything. But you'll have to do it every time you reboot or use one of those programs.
In the same Task Manager, click on startup and that will be a list of every program that starts when you're PC starts. If there are things you don't *have* to startup then, disable them.
For each of these 2 things, just right click on the item and hit Kill Process or Disable. You won't have both options.
|
|
|
|
Post by modbus on Jan 4, 2022 14:43:56 GMT -5
Yeah, from what you said earlier it sounds like Startup might be where your problem lies. Take a look under that tab and see what the "High Impact" items are.
|
|
|
|
Post by modbus on Jan 4, 2022 14:46:02 GMT -5
Also, how much RAM do have have in that machine? Your memory usage is at 71%. If you only have 4GB (or even worse, 2GB), you might want to consider upgrading to 8GB.
|
|
|
|
Post by Vibroluxer on Jan 4, 2022 14:52:57 GMT -5
And once you start upgrading, you're gonna be getting close to the cost of one of those Optiplexes. But memory is cheap, just don't go down the upgrade rabbit hole.
|
|
|
|
Post by Larry Madsen on Jan 4, 2022 15:48:54 GMT -5
Start-up: Microsoft teams is "High Impact" Queenie used it for some of her remote job interviews. I doubt we need it much now.  IMG_2760[1] by Larry Madsen, on Flickr |
|
|
|
Post by Leftee on Jan 4, 2022 15:50:23 GMT -5
Yes… Teams is quite a burden.
|
|
|
|
Post by Larry Madsen on Jan 4, 2022 16:06:31 GMT -5
how much RAM do have have in that machine? Not sure if some of this info should be public (device ID, maybe it doesn't matter).  IMG_2761[1] by Larry Madsen, on Flickr |
|
|
|
Post by Larry Madsen on Jan 4, 2022 16:07:52 GMT -5
Yes… Teams is quite a burden I disabled it for now. I notice on "Version" it is listed as 2004. |
|
|
|
Post by Larry Madsen on Jan 4, 2022 16:19:33 GMT -5
Also ... I am noticing this: Years ago, had problems with things infecting my computer, so I bought Norton. It stopped the problems so that was fine. Here I see Microsoft is telling me I'm protected through their system. In view of this, am I perfectly safe relying on Microsoft and eliminating the Norton? Obviously Norton is taking up space as well.  IMG_2762[1] by Larry Madsen, on Flickr |
|
|
|
Post by Vibroluxer on Jan 4, 2022 16:24:49 GMT -5
For what it's worth my cell phone has 8GB.
|
|
|
|
Post by modbus on Jan 4, 2022 17:01:59 GMT -5
I've only used Microsoft Security Essentials for years. I'm sure you have that, as well as Windows Defender. I'd dump Norton.
|
|
|
|
Post by Leftee on Jan 4, 2022 17:05:13 GMT -5
I've only used Microsoft Security Essentials for years. I'm sure you have that, as well as Windows Defender. I'd dump Norton. Ditto |
|
|
|
Post by Vibroluxer on Jan 4, 2022 17:05:51 GMT -5
I always thought Norton was a resource hog.
|
|
|
|
Post by Leftee on Jan 4, 2022 20:12:45 GMT -5
I always thought Norton was a resource hog. Ditto |
|
