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Post by gato on Jan 7, 2022 6:26:10 GMT -5
Seems like for every quality product, there's a counterfeit alter ego lurking in the shadows, waiting for some gullible buyer to amble along. I don't feel qualified to evaluate something like a classic guitar or bass on my own; I would bring an expert with me if I were inclined to buy one. What's big right now is counterfeit bourbon. Fill the brand's original bottle with a cheap replacement, fake the seals and badda bing, badda booom .... one thousand dollars, please. But I guess bourbon aficionados are more bold. At least with a purported genuine guitar, the buyer can play it. Not so with bourbon. I mean, you can't taste it, obviously, you're relying on the appearance alone. "Bourbon in 2021 is a counterfeiter’s dream, shaped by enormous demand, limited supply and a steady inflow of new and naïve fans all too willing to part with their money — and unlikely to go to the authorities when they realized they’ve been swindled in a transaction that is by definition illegal." Even if I knew a bottle of Ye Olde Stumpe Water was genuine, would I pay $1,000 or more so I could put it on a shelf and gloat to my friends at the unveiling? I think not. i.postimg.cc/6pbZqR87/fake.jpg |
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Post by GmanNJ on Jan 7, 2022 8:38:39 GMT -5
agreed..... there is a great movie about a whiskey distillery finding a very old barrel of the vintage and auctioning it off. Its a whiskey heist movie actually and a good story. its called Angels Share referring to what gets evaporated from the barrel after many years as the Angels taking their share of the barrel. So all these whiskey snobs are willing to pay millions for the bragging rights to have this barrel while these street kids who were taught all about whiskey by their parole officer look to snag a bit of it and have it written off to the Angels Share thus getting away with it Angels Share IMDb |
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Post by Leftee on Jan 7, 2022 9:08:41 GMT -5
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Post by LeftyMeister on Jan 7, 2022 9:15:47 GMT -5
I have a buddy who's a bourbon connoisseur and pays hundreds of dollars for a bottle. He knows everything about the distillery's history for each bottle. He's invited me over occasionally for samplings and some of this stuff tastes like turpentine (I would imagine). The Emperor indeed has no clothes.
I prefer a smoother spirit such as Jameson or Woodford. I'll sip a couple of fingers a few times a month. Any more than that, it gives me a headache.
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Post by slacker 🐨 on Jan 7, 2022 10:34:32 GMT -5
I'm a big bourbon guy. I really enjoy sipping it neat. I really like the barrel strength stuff which, for some, is just too hot (probably the stuff that LeftyMeister didn't enjoy). I have a pretty decent sized stash but try to have no more than 10 bottles open at a time. I don't buy secondary except for one particular type that I have a reliable source for who only marks it up about 20%.
The people paying thousands for Pappy or whatever unobtainium bottle they want are crazy IMO. Obviously value is in the eye of the beholder, but you can get great stuff off the shelf. It's the FOMO and bragging rights that drives most of that. I'm amazed at the people who buy it, put it on a shelf to impress people. I have some pretty good stuff, but it's all there for drinking and I tell guests all the time "If you see something you want to try, we can open any of it".
My wife talked me into splurging on a pour of Pappy last spring...wow is that stuff overrated (but I'm not a fan of wheated bourbons anyway).
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Post by LVF on Jan 7, 2022 10:34:33 GMT -5
I think I have a bottle of this very stuff in the form of Maker's Mark.  |
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Post by LeftyMeister on Jan 7, 2022 11:48:02 GMT -5
LVF, I agree. We went to the factory about 5 years ago on a motorcycle group ride. I dipped my own bottle but found it to be harsh. I'd take Jack Daniels Old No 7 over Maker's Mark.
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Post by slacker 🐨 on Jan 7, 2022 13:22:58 GMT -5
Maker's is an example of a wheated bourbon. IMO, their burn to flavor ratio suffers with the addition of wheat.
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Post by NoSoapRadio on Jan 7, 2022 13:57:43 GMT -5
I like Maker's 46 -- I always keep a bottle around. I have 8 Bourbons in the cabinet right now and at least as many Single Malts -- and of course a bottle of Dewars because it's a great blend for drinking on the rocks.
I'm not likely to be scammed by a $1000 bottle -- because I would not even consider it. I'd much rather have a variety of ten different $100 bottles than a single $1000 bottle. I'm not saying the high end stuff isn't worth the price -- just not to me.
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