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Post by samspade on Jan 16, 2022 12:57:18 GMT -5
I know this is an issue with products other than guitars. But why do some guitar manufacturers just act like a model never existed? They could have it listed on their site with all the specs and a disclaimer of "No longer in production"
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Post by Taildragger on Jan 16, 2022 13:26:14 GMT -5
Sometimes such listings linger in a "for reference only" status at big retailers. I've found such listings on Sweetwater's website. I think I found them via Google rather than by using the search function on the retailer's website.
When they and MF used to regularly send me printed catalogs, I'd hang onto them for that purpose, but finally tossed them all. I do have the old, Fender "Frontline" catalogs from 2003 and 2006, though, and some Gibson promo fold-outs from the early 1970s.
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Post by reverendrob on Jan 16, 2022 16:17:40 GMT -5
As far as web site, it detracts traffic from the 'current offerings' in search engine rankings - the site is a brochure for what's on offer, not what used to be.
That said, what I seem to buy from Gibson gets kiss of death'd consistently a year or two later.
Every single one I own is a...discontinued model!
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Post by LTB on Jan 16, 2022 16:59:41 GMT -5
I think in places like Sweetwater they keep a discontinued listing so when googled it brings people to their website where they might checkout some models they do have in stock. Just a thought
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Post by funkykikuchiyo on Jan 16, 2022 19:32:27 GMT -5
I know this is an issue with products other than guitars. But why do some guitar manufacturers just act like a model never existed? They could have it listed on their site with all the specs and a disclaimer of "No longer in production" Good point.
The obvious and simple answer is that there has been no expectation for them to do so, except when it comes to warranty service. Then it is usually hidden away in the company's computers by serial number. Often, exact specs might even be locked away as "tribal knowledge" among employees, not even documented there. Ultimately they don't have to once the instrument is sold.
I've also wondered why companies aren't better at providing bill of materials and spec sheets for stuff. At varying times Fender has been decent at this, but most of the time you're left looking at fan sites or message boards trying to piece things together if it isn't immediately obvious looking at an instrument. A lot of the time it doesn't matter - I don't need a spec sheet to know what kind of volume pot to put in a Standard Strat - but when companies try weird things and then someone tries messing with it before it makes it to my bench, it can be a bit of a mystery exactly what is going on.
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Post by Leftee on Jan 16, 2022 20:08:13 GMT -5
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Post by Peegoo 🏁 on Jan 16, 2022 21:13:19 GMT -5
I've also wondered why companies aren't better at providing bill of materials and spec sheets for stuff. They don't do that because if they have an issue with a supplier or they make an in-house change, they would have to update the published spec sheet. It is a Royal Pain in the Tokhes to manage incremental changes. I'm sure you've seen the "Specifications are subject to change without notice, reason, or relationship to the changing tides" caveat. I used to work for several gubmint agencies. Managing directives and regulations as mission creep forces change to policies and procedures is a full-time job for many many many people. |
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Post by Taildragger on Jan 16, 2022 21:44:38 GMT -5
But my bet is it gets done in a thoughtful, thorough and meticulous fashion in the Republic of Peegoo!
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Post by reverendrob on Jan 17, 2022 6:12:08 GMT -5
But my bet is it gets done in a thoughtful, thorough and meticulous fashion in the Republic of Peegoo!
Didn't you pay attention in civics class? The Republic of Peegoo is a Banana Republic run by a tinpot dictator, or a democratic republic, not a democracy. He takes great pride in being governmentally negligent. |
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Post by Leftee on Jan 17, 2022 7:08:21 GMT -5
But my bet is it gets done in a thoughtful, thorough and meticulous fashion in the Republic of Peegoo!
Didn't you pay attention in civics class? The Republic of Peegoo is a Banana Republic run by a tinpot dictator, or a democratic republic, not a democracy. He takes great pride in being governmentally negligent. And weird guitars grow on trees. |
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Post by reverendrob on Jan 17, 2022 7:39:24 GMT -5
They do, it's his only export for hard currency.
He exploits the locals with Peegooncoin.
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Post by samspade on Jan 17, 2022 14:41:28 GMT -5
Thanks for the info and the humor guys, lol. I just joined and cool to get some replies.
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Post by Vibroluxer on Jan 17, 2022 15:17:44 GMT -5
Thanks for the info and the humor guys, lol. I just joined and cool to get some replies. Hey man, not to hijack your thread, but welcome aboard! |
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Post by samspade on Jan 22, 2022 9:45:45 GMT -5
Hey Thanks Vibroluxer!
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Post by DrKev on Jan 25, 2022 5:36:43 GMT -5
I know this is an issue with products other than guitars. But why do some guitar manufacturers just act like a model never existed? They could have it listed on their site with all the specs and a disclaimer of "No longer in production" Have you ever looked at bowling ball manufacturers' websites? Having a ton of retired balls on there is a PITA. Current and retired products should never appear on the same page! |
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Post by Taildragger on Jan 25, 2022 20:09:53 GMT -5
As far as web site, it detracts traffic from the 'current offerings' in search engine rankings - the site is a brochure for what's on offer, not what used to be. That said, what I seem to buy from Gibson gets kiss of death'd consistently a year or two later. Every single one I own is a...discontinued model!
Please, oh please: tell me this isn't one of them...
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Post by LTB on Jan 25, 2022 20:30:43 GMT -5
As far as web site, it detracts traffic from the 'current offerings' in search engine rankings - the site is a brochure for what's on offer, not what used to be. That said, what I seem to buy from Gibson gets kiss of death'd consistently a year or two later. Every single one I own is a...discontinued model!
Please, oh please: tell me this isn't one of them...
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Post by reverendrob on Jan 25, 2022 21:18:18 GMT -5
No, that isn't one of them.
I have in the Gibson lineup of discontinued quickly models:
Gibson Memphis no-F hole 339 Studio (still has neck binding, go figure).
Gibson Les Paul Jr DC Tribute (the pickguard mounted jack one)
A pair of Les Paul Studio High Performance - the expensive ones with Plek, robotuners, and the aluminum flight case plus the extra-wide neck, the Axcess neck joint, and internal DIP switches for electronic fun
Lead balloons!
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Post by Taildragger on Jan 25, 2022 21:28:30 GMT -5
Whew! Thank goodness.
I was flabbergasted when I saw they were making those mack-daddy pimp SGs.
What were they thinking?
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Post by Taildragger on Jan 25, 2022 21:38:44 GMT -5
This is the only discontinued Gibson I have:  Early 1970s "Gospel" acoustic |
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Post by reverendrob on Jan 26, 2022 15:08:09 GMT -5
Whew! Thank goodness. I was flabbergasted when I saw they were making those mack-daddy pimp SGs. What were they thinking? I don't go pimp hippie guitars, so no risk there. Two of my Gibsons are blue (actual blue, not the weird blue-grey or stuff Gibson normally does), one wine red, one arctic white (which I like, unlike Oly White on a Fender) |
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Post by samspade on Jan 27, 2022 19:52:23 GMT -5
I know this is an issue with products other than guitars. But why do some guitar manufacturers just act like a model never existed? They could have it listed on their site with all the specs and a disclaimer of "No longer in production" Have you ever looked at bowling ball manufacturers' websites? Having a ton of retired balls on there is a PITA. Current and retired products should never appear on the same page! I agree. I think any manufacturer should have a 'past models' page, even if it means listing changed specs for a model for a time window. I know, too much too ask of them. |
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