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Post by jtheissen on Jan 16, 2022 18:48:43 GMT -5
My son just gave me a slightly used one with a nice gig bag for my birthday. Action is a bit high. Any way to adjust?
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Post by Peegoo 🏁 on Jan 17, 2022 0:19:51 GMT -5
I have one...they are great little guitars that sound better than they should.
These have a truss rod, adjustable from the sound hole. Check to see if the neck's profile is in the proper ballpark:
Tune the guitar. Place a capo lightly at the 1st fret. Lightly place a finger on the low E string, 14th fret (where the neck meets the body). Holding this in place, measure the gap between the low E string and the top of the 8th fret. It should be in the realm of .012" or thereabouts.
If you have no thickness gauge, you can use the end of a .012" guitar string, or a business card as a gauge.
Between .010" and .012" is about right. If it's less than that, loosen the truss rod 1/8" turn and check it again. if it's more than that, tighten the rod 1/8 turn and check again.
Report back with what you find, and we can proceed to other measures if necessary.
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Post by 009 on Jan 17, 2022 7:51:54 GMT -5
I have one of these, and declared it a POS *UNTIL* I realized that those two screws on the neck (at the body) were not there as some sort of economical factory assembly feature (positioning for gluing), but rather a means to detach the neck. This feature allows you to shim the neck. It took a little while because of the trial & error: detach, shim, reassemble, tune up, see how it feels; repeat until happiness ensues. It made all the difference in the world.
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Post by jtheissen on Jan 17, 2022 11:39:16 GMT -5
Thanks fellas. Can't today, but looking forward to it. Old strings on it too👀🎸
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Post by Leftee on Jan 17, 2022 11:46:40 GMT -5
I have one of these, and declared it a POS *UNTIL* I realized that those two screws on the neck (at the body) were not there as some sort of economical factory assembly feature (positioning for gluing), but rather a means to detach the neck. This feature allows you to shim the neck. It took a little while because of the trial & error: detach, shim, reassemble, tune up, see how it feels; repeat until happiness ensues. It made all the difference in the world. Where/how did you acquire shims? From Taylor?
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Post by 009 on Jan 17, 2022 13:26:00 GMT -5
No, the shims I use are index cards. I think I ended up using three thicknesses, cut to the size of about 1/2 inch height X whatever width that fits across the with of the neck pocket without going into the routed curves/corners (or you can round off the corners of the shims to roughly match the corners; I think I did this to maximize contact). Some guys use business cards; Joe Naylor uses sandpaper. It’s easy to do; just takes a little time, depending on how quickly you get your ideal neck angle. Placing a capo after loosening the strings (around the 12th fret or so) will keep the strings in place as you work. (So leave the old strings on until you’re happy with your adjustment.)
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Post by Leftee on Jan 17, 2022 13:40:21 GMT -5
I’m letting my GT settle in, but I can foresee a neck-angle adjustment.
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Post by 009 on Jan 17, 2022 17:28:36 GMT -5
I’m letting my GT settle in, but I can foresee a neck-angle adjustment. These “do it yourself” detachment screws are only on the Baby and the Big Baby; I checked with Taylor. But I’ve read something about being able to do neck adjustments on most/all Taylor’s; some neck/body joint feature that Taylor touts; it sounded like an hour’s work by a luthier (but I didn’t understand; I needed pictures).
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Post by Leftee on Jan 17, 2022 17:32:31 GMT -5
I’m letting my GT settle in, but I can foresee a neck-angle adjustment. These “do it yourself” detachment screws are only on the Baby and the Big Baby; I checked with Taylor. But I’ve read something about being able to do neck adjustments on most/all Taylor’s; some neck/body joint feature that Taylor touts; it sounded like an hour’s work by a luthier (but I didn’t understand; I needed pictures). Ah! I saw the label in there and assumed.
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Post by funkykikuchiyo on Jan 17, 2022 20:43:18 GMT -5
Some Babies have empty neck pockets and you would shim it similar to a Strat or Tele, some use the proprietary shims. It depends on when it is made.
If it has the shim, you can either find a tech who has a stash of them and swap them, or you can adhere something to the body end of the shim to kick the angle back a bit. Sometimes a couple layers of a good, dense tape can do it. These things move a lot and even though I have a stash of shims I have to do this sometimes since it may require adjusting beyond the range that the shims allow.
Also, when you have the neck off, do yourself a favor and wax those screws.
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Post by jtheissen on Jan 18, 2022 14:57:21 GMT -5
It appears that the truss rod is not adjustable with an allen wrench. Would a socket work or do I need to buy a wrench from Taylor?
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Post by Leftee on Jan 18, 2022 15:01:50 GMT -5
It appears that the truss rod is not adjustable with an allen wrench. Would a socket work or do I need to buy a wrench from Taylor? I believe all modern Taylors use a 1/4” socket. Deep well and skinny is key. I just went ahead and ordered theirs.
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Post by Peegoo 🏁 on Jan 19, 2022 11:24:14 GMT -5
A small nut driver will do it.
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Post by rdr on Jan 24, 2022 9:29:21 GMT -5
Last time I shimmed a neck (Esquire) I bought a cheap set of feelers and used one. Perfect!
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Post by jtheissen on Jan 29, 2022 13:30:58 GMT -5
Action is better. Still kinda high, especially higher up the neck. New strings helped. Any other tips besides the truss rod?
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Post by Peegoo 🏁 on Jan 30, 2022 14:35:40 GMT -5
Remove the strings and remove the two screws that hold the neck on. Carefully lift out the neck. Cut a 2" x 1/2" strip of aluminum from a beverage can and lay it flat in the pocket, with a long edge against side nearest the sound hole. Reinstall the neck, string it up, and see how it plays. Doing this increases the neck's back angle, bringing the strings closer to the frets' tops.
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Post by Leftee on Jan 30, 2022 14:38:36 GMT -5
Does any particular beverage can sound better? Like the cherry Chapstick situation?
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Post by Peegoo 🏁 on Jan 30, 2022 14:49:33 GMT -5
Anything but a wine kooler will work great.
Which means you'll need to borrow something from one of the neighbors.
HAHA!
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Post by jtheissen on Jan 30, 2022 17:24:09 GMT -5
Thanks again fellas. I recall my old '65 Mustang had a neck shim. Would a finger nail file work? My wife has those little wooden ones everywhere😱🎸
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Post by jtheissen on Mar 7, 2022 15:52:47 GMT -5
Would part of an old credit card work?
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Post by leftrightout on Mar 7, 2022 17:41:00 GMT -5
Would part of an old credit card work? Yes, but depending on how much you needed to shim the neck to get the correct angler
Credit cards are fairly thick,
You can use part of a business card or if you want you can use cigarette papers for a tapered shim
if you want to make the papers rigged rigid spray them with some lacquer
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Post by jtheissen on Mar 9, 2022 13:35:36 GMT -5
I contacted Taylor and told them my situation. They wanted 12th fret string height- 3/16"😱 plus the value of the existing neck shim. They are sending me a few shims of different values. No charge or postage/shipping!!!! Incredible customer service😎🎸
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Post by funkykikuchiyo on Mar 11, 2022 10:11:33 GMT -5
At 3/16" you might find the biggest one to be inadequate. I've run into this a handful of times with Babies. Sometimes I have to supplement with some extra material, sometimes it is a really hard "dog tongue" kink in the neck (think relief, but not in the area that a truss rod has any impact). Try the shims and see how it goes from there.
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Post by jtheissen on Mar 13, 2022 10:11:12 GMT -5
Thanks. I will probably add a business card. What is the best way to keep the strings on when I detach the neck if I need to add more? Can't imagine a new set every time😱
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Post by sirWheat on Mar 13, 2022 10:45:24 GMT -5
Capo down by the nut, loosen strings, pull pegs, and coil them up and out of the way.
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Post by jtheissen on Mar 13, 2022 13:12:34 GMT -5
Since I have never done it before, can the strings be sufficiently loosened with a capo on th first fret?
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Post by sirWheat on Mar 13, 2022 13:21:22 GMT -5
Yeah, sure. They'll be slack at the posts but should work fine, assuming the strings are wrapped around the posts at least once. FWIW, I've successfully loosened the strings enough on my Les Paul to get the tail-piece past the posts. You shouldn't need to loosen yours so much to get the pegs out.
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Post by jtheissen on Mar 19, 2022 12:19:55 GMT -5
I received the shims in the mail, no charge. 3/16 gap at the 12th fret. Original shim on the guitar is 8. They sent me two 30s and two 2Os. Obviously, they can be stacked if necessary. What is a good opening try? 30 or 20? Combine them? 30 plus the 8? 20 plus the 8? Thanks for everyone's help and input🎸
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Post by 009 on Mar 21, 2022 12:51:18 GMT -5
It's impossible to say how thick your shim(s) should be. You need time and patience, knowing that you will end up with a fine playing guitar. Just try to get what you like, one shim at a time. (I used an index card to cut out my shims, and (of course) they all had the same thickness.) Loosen all the strings well, place a capo on the neck, sort of close to the nut, if you only have one capo, to keep the strings in place in that area. Be sure to use a properly sized screwdriver and remove those two screws on the fretboard. Lift the neck up and out of its neck pocket, and just lay the neck off to the side so that the strings are not in the way of the neck pocket (I flipped the neck over 90 degrees/perpendicular to the guitar body); it's best to work on a large table or on the floor so the neck doesn't accidentally want to fall off the table). As long as you don't put any kinks in the strings, you're good. Lay down a shim (I suggest the thinnest to begin with) like Peegoo's photo depicts. Carefully reassemble the neck, putting the screws back in carefully and not too tight; you don't need to muscle those screws; the wood is relatively soft (not like maple). Take off the capo and tune up. See what you think; you have to play it somewhat, checking the action, but also seeing if any fret buzz crept in. I did this adjustment cycle three (3) time before I got the action I was comfortable with it. There are no short cuts; it's what you have to do. As long as you don't kink your strings or strip out your screws holes with macho screwdriver twisting, you'll do good.
PS - The odds are that your outside e strings will not be evenly following the outside edges of the neck when you’re done. Just loosen those screws just a little and nudge the headstock one way or the other to line them up.
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Post by jtheissen on Mar 21, 2022 21:26:33 GMT -5
Thank you. I will get to it later this week/weekend🎸
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