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Post by Auf Kiltre on Jan 20, 2022 13:36:52 GMT -5
Since we're such a small group here I thought we might be able to discuss the topic without the frequent panty wadding the subject evokes. If its verboten then go ahead and nuke.
I love Fender guitars and feel the Fender logo is as much a part of the aesthetic as the hardware, shape, etc. I have no intention of trying to pass off a partscaster as a real deal. I am not a gigging musician anymore so I am not a "poser". To me building a cosmetically similar instrument is as much a tribute to the original as making a wax replica of a famous person.
All that said I understand the potential of the guitar ultimately ending up in the hands of the unscrupulous or uneducated. Certainly most guitarists would be able to spot the guitar as a replica, or at least would discover once they took off the neck and saw the aftermarket neck and/or body stamp. But again, lets avoid confusion by going an extra step.
What do you think about a small waterslide decal *under lacquer* on the back of the headstock that simply says "Replica" in a Fender-like font? I thought about a neck plate engraved with the same but that could easily be swapped.
I'm not looking to expose any of you who may choose to use Fender era appropriate headstock decals, so feel free not to opine on the practice. Just curious of your thoughts about the disclaimer decal at the back of the headstock serving as protection against fraud down the road.
Sincerely,
Mr. Poser Fraudski
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Post by Pinetree on Jan 20, 2022 14:00:13 GMT -5
I've built partscasters for a friend who tours nationally... they have no decals on the headstock and nobody cares.
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Post by Leftee on Jan 20, 2022 14:28:04 GMT -5
The disclaimer could be sanded off.
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Post by leftrightout on Jan 20, 2022 15:32:03 GMT -5
if i wanted to do it properly i would brand or stamp in to the neck heel and bodies with the word replica or copy
like the custom shop does with relic in the body and neck heel to stop people passing them off as vintage
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Post by Auf Kiltre on Jan 20, 2022 15:52:43 GMT -5
I've built partscasters for a friend who tours nationally... they have no decals on the headstock and nobody cares. .02 Yeah, but I'm not touring nor expecting to have a decal make it sound better. But point taken. A bare headstock looks funny to me. I do have a self designed one on my pimped out Tele Thinline.
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Post by Auf Kiltre on Jan 20, 2022 15:53:34 GMT -5
The disclaimer could be sanded off. Yeah, but they'd have to go through lacquer.
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Post by Leftee on Jan 20, 2022 16:02:02 GMT -5
The disclaimer could be sanded off. Yeah, but they'd have to go through lacquer. True, but spray new lacquer over it and that will disappear.
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Post by Leftee on Jan 20, 2022 16:02:53 GMT -5
I've built partscasters for a friend who tours nationally... they have no decals on the headstock and nobody cares. .02 Yeah, but I'm not touring nor expecting to have a decal make it sound better. But point taken. A bare headstock looks funny to me. I do have a self designed one on my pimped out Tele Thinline. I like that a lot!
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Post by Auf Kiltre on Jan 20, 2022 16:05:10 GMT -5
The decal placement is a little wonky, but I think it kinda fits on this one.
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Post by Auf Kiltre on Jan 20, 2022 16:18:50 GMT -5
It all brings up another issue with partscasters in general. If a build uses all "licensed by Fender" stuff, all it would take for some mope is to add a fake decal to get it into fraud territory.
If all works out with my timeline, I'll likely part out my partscasters anyway.
When I'm about 90 and ready to take up golfing. 😄
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Post by Pinetree on Jan 20, 2022 20:12:29 GMT -5
Warmoth parts are all I use, and they're pretty well marked.
But I'm just building (assembling) quality guitars, and not trying to pass them off as something else...
Even though they look (and play) exactly like a really nice Stratocaster.
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Post by Peegoo 🏁 on Jan 21, 2022 1:07:33 GMT -5
You can do whatever you like...and it is legal so long as you don't misrepresent what it actually is in a sale to another person.
To my way of thinking it's no different from putting a Harley Davidson decal on the back window of your PT Cruiser.
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Post by Pinetree on Jan 21, 2022 2:04:26 GMT -5
Blasphemy!
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Post by mountie on Jan 21, 2022 8:32:27 GMT -5
I bought a Squier strat several years ago. I sanded off the neck finish and tinted it with stain, changed to vintage-syle tuners and string tree. Online, I found a guy who made waterslide decals in similar color and font to vintage Fenders. I ordered "Faker Stratobastard" and applied same under the finish. I later saw the guitar for sale by a local gear flogger. He must have received complaints, as after a day or so the ad showed it as being removed. I have also seen pics of a "Ferden Sortacaster". I don't see this as trying to fool anyone; more tongue-in-cheek response to gearheads IMHO.
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Post by Auf Kiltre on Jan 21, 2022 9:24:57 GMT -5
I bought a Squier strat several years ago. I sanded off the neck finish and tinted it with stain, changed to vintage-syle tuners and string tree. Online, I found a guy who made waterslide decals in similar color and font to vintage Fenders. I ordered "Faker Stratobastard" and applied same under the finish. I later saw the guitar for sale by a local gear flogger. He must have received complaints, as after a day or so the ad showed it as being removed. I have also seen pics of a "Ferden Sortacaster". I don't see this as trying to fool anyone; more tongue-in-cheek response to gearheads IMHO. Yeah, I know places like Reverb won't (or didn't) let people advertise guitars with repro decals even with disclaimers. But a goof on the name with a similar font? That's just being hysterical for the sake of hysteria.
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Post by Leftee on Jan 21, 2022 10:00:32 GMT -5
When I list my builds I don’t even use words and “Tele” or “Strat” or “S-type,” etc.
People can look at the picture and see what it is.
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Post by Auf Kiltre on Jan 21, 2022 10:15:56 GMT -5
Yeah, I suppose the discussion is a pretty pointless endeavor, like discussing relics.
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Post by Leftee on Jan 21, 2022 10:59:50 GMT -5
It is very-much a personal choice. When I started building I seriously looked at authentic water slides. I made the personal choice to go with something unique. I’ve been quite happy with that.
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Post by Auf Kiltre on Jan 21, 2022 11:07:43 GMT -5
Yeah, I'll probably just brand em all with my custom Texas decal. And just play the dang things. 🤣
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Post by Seldom Seen on Jan 21, 2022 11:52:38 GMT -5
Yeah, I'll probably just brand em all with my custom Texas decal. And just play the dang things. 🤣 My wife would stick them on everything. My how that California native loves Texas.
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Post by Peegoo 🏁 on Jan 21, 2022 13:35:25 GMT -5
Up until the 1980s Fender would anyone a replacement decal if they were repairing or refinishing a neck. These days you have to be a Fender-authorized repair person to receive one.
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Post by Auf Kiltre on Jan 21, 2022 13:58:20 GMT -5
Up until the 1980s Fender would anyone a replacement decal if they were repairing or refinishing a neck. These days you have to be a Fender-authorized repair person to receive one. Yeah, I remember some shops selling them behind the counter.
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Post by funkykikuchiyo on Jan 29, 2022 10:18:12 GMT -5
I always liked it when a good graphic artist could emulate the look of the old Fender decal, but with a different word. Hasn't Peegoo done this a few times with his "Becker" logo? I think I'd also love one that says "Flender" or "Fedner"... kinda a nod to cheap knock offs, like a Romex watch.
Takamine got ridiculously good at this in the '70s. I remember a faux-Guild logo with a T instead of a G that was scarily good, and of course their "Takamine & Co." logo.
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Post by Peegoo 🏁 on Jan 29, 2022 14:57:09 GMT -5
There were guitars coming out of Korea in the early 80s with logos in the correct font that read Splender and Gitson. Funny stuff! I did cop the Fender font for a couple of my creations.
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Post by Peegoo 🏁 on Jan 29, 2022 15:19:02 GMT -5
Takamine got ridiculously good at this in the '70s. I remember a faux-Guild logo with a T instead of a G that was scarily good, and of course their "Takamine & Co." logo. Takamine made acoustics for years that appeared from three feet away to be made by Martin. There was a company that made acoustic guitars in the late 70s through the 80s that nailed the look of the Martin headstock. Instead of C. F. Martin, it was T. F. Morris. And then there was the funny C. F. Mountain. Many others like these too--including outright counterfake Martins. "Will the real C. F. Martin...please stand up?" To Tell the Truth, indeed.
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Post by funkykikuchiyo on Jan 29, 2022 15:26:02 GMT -5
The is the first I've noticed that the CF Mountain has the ampersand at the end with no "Co.". Found an example of the Takamine Guild as well. To me that is the best of both worlds. Most of us just think the logos fit the rest of the instrument, and we're not trying to make it pass off as anything else. www.worthpoint.com/worthopedia/1976-takamine-f345-jumbo-guild-134219169
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Post by twangmeister on Jan 29, 2022 19:09:17 GMT -5
Up until the 1980s Fender would anyone a replacement decal if they were repairing or refinishing a neck. These days you have to be a Fender-authorized repair person to receive one. My brother had a nice Asian copy of a 1960's Stratocaster back in the '70s. It sounded and played just like the real thing. He acquired a spaghetti Fender logo legitimately and snipped off the "Stratocaster" and patent #s and applied it to the headstock. I bought the guitar from him and ultimately sold it to an Army friend in Germany. I still cringe when I think I unleashed a phony Fender. And I never heard from him again as we went out separate ways.
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Post by reverendrob on Jan 29, 2022 21:40:23 GMT -5
I've come THIS close to ordering a "Jazzfingmaster" decal more than once in the right font for mine.
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Post by hushnel on Feb 1, 2022 10:03:48 GMT -5
I think that if you made the instrument for your own use and wanted to emulate the whole appearance of Fender you could paint/pin striping the logo on the head stock, even under a clear coat it would never pass for a Fender decal, yet in a way be superior to the decal, and show respect for the instrument and Leo at the same time.
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Post by Jim622 on Feb 20, 2022 5:41:32 GMT -5
My only build was themed for my military retirement and the headstock followed the theme. I couldn't misrepresent the build, it would bother me. Not that my build could be mistaken for the original.
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