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Post by cedarchoper58 on Feb 15, 2022 19:15:19 GMT -5
My boss walwart is rated at 200ma 9.5vdc is that enough to power a TS9 Tube Screamer a 1969 Vox V846 italian wha and a Korg switchback tunner? thks
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Post by gbfun on Feb 16, 2022 3:56:15 GMT -5
Hi ! I've got extensive experience with DC power. That boss is relatively underpowered for your application. And you'd need an extension power string to hook up all three if they all have the same size input. An internet search for each device should reveal their power draw. I find this info is best found in the operating manual specs section. The key number is the 200ma of power. Add up the power draw of all 3 pedals and I bet you'll exceed 200ma if they are all on at the same time. But on the other hand, I'm not familiar with the Vox or Korg. The old Boss adapters in common use are 500ma. You might track one down to make sure you don't underpower anything. And if you really want to make sure, and have the option to add more pedals, try a 1000ma or 2000ma adapter for sale in the usual places. Trust me, you'll eventually want to add pedals soon enough.
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Post by reverendrob on Feb 16, 2022 7:22:52 GMT -5
The draw of the TS and the wah will be negiigible.
You'll be fine.
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Post by reverendrob on Feb 16, 2022 7:23:39 GMT -5
The Vox isn't going to have an AC input, you'll need a battery clip.
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Post by cedarchoper58 on Feb 16, 2022 11:06:45 GMT -5
Hi ! I've got extensive experience with DC power. That boss is relatively underpowered for your application. And you'd need an extension power string to hook up all three if they all have the same size input. An internet search for each device should reveal their power draw. I find this info is best found in the operating manual specs section. The key number is the 200ma of power. Add up the power draw of all 3 pedals and I bet you'll exceed 200ma if they are all on at the same time. But on the other hand, I'm not familiar with the Vox or Korg. The old Boss adapters in common use are 500ma. You might track one down to make sure you don't underpower anything. And if you really want to make sure, and have the option to add more pedals, try a 1000ma or 2000ma adapter for sale in the usual places. Trust me, you'll eventually want to add pedals soon enough. thks for the reply i wont be adding new pedals i have used the same two (tube Screamer and Wha) for decades and addedd the korg 10years ago or so
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Post by gbfun on Feb 17, 2022 6:44:46 GMT -5
Ha. I've got so many pedalboards and floorboards and wires running everywhere I couldn't conceive of such simplicity !
Ok then. The issue is the cable you have to attach to the Boss output plug plus the possibility of two more adaptor cables.
I will assume the korg and boss are the same negative polarity, and the same type plug. If your Boss powers the Screamer and the Korg...good.
If not, a reverse wire is needed. But I'll assume the Boss powers the Screamer and the Korg individually.
The old WHA is a question mark but a comment was made that it's probably powered via 9v battery, so I'll assume that because it would be nice to run it via the Boss instead of battery power.
What I'd do is go to ebay and check to see what I find for the 9v battery issue. I used to find a 9v to male conversion wire pretty easily. So I used that and a female to female polarity switcher. When you attach the 9v clip in the Wha to the 9v in the wire, the polarity should be reversed, hence the polarity switcher.
Next I'd find a power extension string on ebay with 3(or 4) male plugs and one female plug that matches the Boss plug. Often, these reverse the polarity, and they don't bother to mention this. If it keeps the same negative polarity of the Boss, then your main cord looks like :
Boss negative ground male > Boss female cord with 4 negative polarity male plugs.
Then male1 plugs directly into the Screamer, and male3 plugs into the Korg.
Male2 plugs into a female to female polarity switcher plug and then into the polarity switched male to 9v in the Wha.
So you need to buy
1)one Boss sized FEMALE cord with 4 negative polarity male plugs(used to be common on ebay). 2)one female to female polarity switching plug(common with older alarm systems?) 3)one Boss sized MALE to 9v adaptor wire(this is designed to power pedals with a 9v battery on the outside I believe)
In theory you will end up with a Boss 9v AC adaptor that powers all 3 pedals.
Another more expensive option is to buy a 9v power block that is specifically designed to power many pedals at once. It usually includes most needed cords. It's a little neater but not much. Most likely you'd still have to buy #2 and #3 with the included cords.
Hope this helps !
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Post by cedarchoper58 on Feb 17, 2022 11:03:56 GMT -5
Ha. I've got so many pedalboards and floorboards and wires running everywhere I couldn't conceive of such simplicity ! Ok then. The issue is the cable you have to attach to the Boss output plug plus the possibility of two more adaptor cables. I will assume the korg and boss are the same negative polarity, and the same type plug. If your Boss powers the Screamer and the Korg...good. If not, a reverse wire is needed. But I'll assume the Boss powers the Screamer and the Korg individually. The old WHA is a question mark but a comment was made that it's probably powered via 9v battery, so I'll assume that because it would be nice to run it via the Boss instead of battery power. What I'd do is go to ebay and check to see what I find for the 9v battery issue. I used to find a 9v to male conversion wire pretty easily. So I used that and a female to female polarity switcher. When you attach the 9v clip in the Wha to the 9v in the wire, the polarity should be reversed, hence the polarity switcher. Next I'd find a power extension string on ebay with 3(or 4) male plugs and one female plug that matches the Boss plug. Often, these reverse the polarity, and they don't bother to mention this. If it keeps the same negative polarity of the Boss, then your main cord looks like : Boss negative ground male > Boss female cord with 4 negative polarity male plugs. Then male1 plugs directly into the Screamer, and male3 plugs into the Korg. Male2 plugs into a female to female polarity switcher plug and then into the polarity switched male to 9v in the Wha. So you need to buy 1)one Boss sized FEMALE cord with 4 negative polarity male plugs(used to be common on ebay). 2)one female to female polarity switching plug(common with older alarm systems?) 3)one Boss sized MALE to 9v adaptor wire(this is designed to power pedals with a 9v battery on the outside I believe) In theory you will end up with a Boss 9v AC adaptor that powers all 3 pedals. Another more expensive option is to buy a 9v power block that is specifically designed to power many pedals at once. It usually includes most needed cords. It's a little neater but not much. Most likely you'd still have to buy #2 and #3 with the included cords. Hope this helps ! it seems to be working but like the battery thread i posted i have a one spot wall wart and it sounds different than the boss walwart. the boss sounds better. I wonder why. Also the one spot is noisy (line noise) and the boss is quite i wonder why? Also i have old boss digital delay that i never use (because my BF Pro reverb has reverb and use a echoplex with my marshall) but tried it today and i had a volume drop with both wall warts and the one spot is deffently rated for the pedals. Why would that be?
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Post by gbfun on Feb 18, 2022 5:23:22 GMT -5
Hmm. Once again I don't have all the facts and have to make assumptions. And you know what often happens then...! In my experience, Boss wallwarts are "conditioned" power so they don't make noise. This is one reason why they are expensive. Also, they are rated 9.6volts and are designed specifically for Boss pedals. Yours is rated less but is also likely conditioned. In my experience there are early versions of One Spots that might have been upgraded, with one version producing 1000ma and the other 2000ma of 9 volt power. I have both. No matter what size you have, know that a ONE SPOT is packing way more power than you need and I too have noticed when I use it on some low draw pedal, the extra power is too much and it adds noise. I haven't checked the ONE SPOT to see how much voltage is really puts out, but if you measure most wallwarts you will find it's putting out way more voltage than it's rated for. There seems to be some interrelationship of Voltage and Power to arrive at a particular power rating, so real voltage might be higher. This could be the cause. Your single pedal is getting slammed with Voltage in excess of 9 volts or a bigger blast of brute power than it expected and doesn't like it. Ah yes...most delays seem to suck up a LOT of power. Maybe 200ma to 300ma in my experience. I have to dedicate an entire battery pack just to a delay. Mine don't have volume drops because I set my volume knob to whatever setting I need to get back to the same volume I had before I turned the thing on. I suspect that's why they put a volume knob on it This remains true no matter what the power input is. Delays suck power so much I doubt they'll work very good with your mini-sized Boss wallwart. But if it's a simple delay...maybe. I'd use the ONE SPOT for any rig using a delay. But maybe you've got your volume maxxed and you still have a volume drop when you turn it on ? I don't know what to do about that but get a delay that works right. The volume knob should be adjustable to parity. I've heard more issues with volume drop using Whas than I have with delays. I've also heard that some old analog pedals do not work well with modern digital pedals sometimes. And I have a few devices myself that don't work well with each other. And I'm not sure I've got the whole story here(Pro reverb, echoplex, marshall, One SPOT, where did all those come from ? Ha). Sometimes when things are all connected up together, one gets a bad surprise ! : Anyway, there's a couple shots in the dark for ya
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Post by reverendrob on Feb 18, 2022 5:30:39 GMT -5
With the rig described, adding a basic delay (not a Strymon or a big draw multi) won't be an issue.
The TS and wah eat 10-15 ma each, max.
The tuner eats very little as well.
If I showed you what I run on a OneSpot, you'd be appalled!
The biggest draw item I have is a Boss ES-8 switcher, that handles 9 discrete matrix-routable pedal inputs and outs. It draws close to 500ma on its own.
Second biggest is the Boss RE-20 Space Echo that's a hair over 200; I have two but not hooked up in the same chain - I have one mastering/quick recording room mini-pedalboard with one, and the master board that needs a flowchart to understand lives in the "live" recording room (1k sqft or so) where I can get criminally loud.
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Post by gbfun on Feb 19, 2022 9:10:40 GMT -5
Wow...500ma on the ES-8 ! I thought this was just a giant switch and wouldn't draw much more than for lights. I wonder what's it's really doing ? That's as much or more power as a large LOOPER and it's doing a LOT. I tried to check the TS but only found only the TSmini, Blues Driver and DS-1. They are supposedly, in order...18ma, 9ma, and 4ma...and that's amazing if true. But at full volume or an average ? I should have figured that out since they are powered by a 200ma 9v battery internally. They won't get the entire 200ma because the voltage will drop too far to operate, maybe down to 7 volts or so, but still, if one has a battery, it might last for longer than I expected. I'll have to try my 600ma rechargeable 9v and see how long it lasts. The voltage will probably drop too fast to give me any running advantage. Even so, they are so cheap in power cost I'm going to use them more in the future, at least for a boost. And if his old wha and the tuner and the screamer add up to less than 100ma, forget the Boss and use a rechargeable battery pack ! That draw is so low an X000ma rechargeable cellphone power pack with a 5v to 9v adaptor might do fine. 1K sq ft ? I can only dream on the West Coast. Criminally loud ? Check out the hearing aid discussion...
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Post by cedarchoper58 on Feb 19, 2022 11:09:39 GMT -5
And if his old wha and the tuner and the screamer add up to less than 100ma, forget the Boss and use a rechargeable battery pack ! That draw is so low an X000ma rechargeable cellphone power pack with a 5v to 9v adaptor might do fine. I was using batteries but the tone changes as the TS9 battery goes down so i thought a wall wart for consistent tone. I talked about this extensivly in my battery thread
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Post by reverendrob on Feb 20, 2022 6:58:31 GMT -5
Wow...500ma on the ES-8 ! I thought this was just a giant switch and wouldn't draw much more than for lights. I wonder what's it's really doing ? That's as much or more power as a large LOOPER and it's doing a LOT. 1K sq ft ? I can only dream on the West Coast. Criminally loud ? Check out the hearing aid discussion... The ES-8 is effectively a matrix router, not on-off - you can move the loops around internally on a per-patch basis, serial/parallel pathing, MIDI control of tons of things, LFO expression out (including an internal generator for same), etc. The outbuilding with the studio room has a full kitchen/bath as well; I've lived in less1 My neighbors are trees. I also am a proponent of the "turn it to ungodly with the room mic'd, play from another room altogether" to avoid the blast, and run a small practice amp in the second room to induce feedback on demand. My rig is immensely complicated these days to put it mildly! But I'm not doing SRV imitations.
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Post by reverendrob on Feb 20, 2022 6:59:59 GMT -5
And if his old wha and the tuner and the screamer add up to less than 100ma, forget the Boss and use a rechargeable battery pack ! That draw is so low an X000ma rechargeable cellphone power pack with a 5v to 9v adaptor might do fine. I was using batteries but the tone changes as the TS9 battery goes down so i thought a wall wart for consistent tone. I talked about this extensivly in my battery thread Consider at that point getting one of the adapters with scalable output voltage to see if you like it best at a particular point not quite "full" on - I have an old Danelectro one for a germanium fuzz that I set at just a hair under 7v.
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Post by gbfun on Feb 20, 2022 10:44:47 GMT -5
cedar....check out Amazon rechargeable batteries...brand name Talent. The $50 and $70 version(last I checked) aren't worth much for the 12v they advertise(only over 12v for about 15% of the time), however the 9v out is REGULATED power up to 4 or 5 AMPS at a solid 9.15v or so. This is ideal for most 9v pedals and they come with some limited but useful cables. I have 4 I think, and no, you can't have mine ! The only catch is the indicator lights don't monitor when the battery hits 8v or so and cuts itself off. But the battery starts off at 13v and takes a long, long time before cutting itself off. There might be new offerings too...but the output must be 9v regulated to keep your pedals all juiced up ! I ordered a Tomsline battery once that was supposed to be regulated and it might be, but it regulated it at 8.9v. It also had a bad charging cable. Maybe they updated it or there's a new competitor. I use the old Boxking boxes mostly, but they are expensive and their new offerings are NOT regulated, and they are too heavy for my purposes ! Or at least, they were when I tried them. I was helping them with potential future designs in Dec 2019 when I first heard about "pre-Alpha" C. As my hobby is emerging diseases I was one of the first USA peeps to realized it had escaped from China and was heading everywhere. But I don't recommend the current offerings that actually waste battery power lighting up their brand name. Thats silly and the new designs are just too heavy. I recommend you start with Talent batteries until Boxking cleans up it's stuff. But there could be better and cheaper solutions now. rev...ES-8. Holy heck ! You win the "In the Weeds" award this month. And apparently you are living MY fantasy ! Glad SOMEONE is... Well, I desperately strive for simplicity in equipment as a rule, but I've found even THAT is complicated in electric music ! So yes, I could see where that ES-8 could get VERY involved indeed...but it should give amazing control too. But are the AD/DA converters on the ins and outs completely transparent ? I suckered into the mono version of the Boss programmable EQ box and it lost something in the translation. That was a decade or so ago though, so I assume things have improved. But complexity ? Oh yeah. Music can be uber complex and I know that lesson well. Thank goodness I never had to earn a living from music ! But complexity to simplify something can be PRICELESS I think. I'm currently in my floorboard and preamp phase but they have the obvious limitations of uneven quality and quantity of effects and distortions, so they are a compromise for simplicity, and if I want better and more flexible sound I'll probably get a large router just to play 8 Pignoses at the same time for grins, and attempt to organize an unruly flock of pedals in the future. But you know the value of a complex pedal setup already. And I suspect you have quite an array of cool sounds at your fingertips...and who doesn't want that to play with ? Yep, that could be very interesting indeed ! Pedals can sound so different depending on where they are placed, and you can try all sorts of unusual combinations and stacks. Just gotta avoid exploding your brain !
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Post by cedarchoper58 on Feb 20, 2022 18:10:39 GMT -5
tried batterys today (Non Alkaline) and my tone is thicker and its thinner (more trebble or cut and less bass) and not near as rich when using the wall wart. why would this be? thks
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Post by reverendrob on Feb 20, 2022 18:28:07 GMT -5
rev...ES-8. Holy heck ! You win the "In the Weeds" award this month. And apparently you are living MY fantasy ! Glad SOMEONE is... Well, I desperately strive for simplicity in equipment as a rule, but I've found even THAT is complicated in electric music ! So yes, I could see where that ES-8 could get VERY involved indeed...but it should give amazing control too. But are the AD/DA converters on the ins and outs completely transparent ? I suckered into the mono version of the Boss programmable EQ box and it lost something in the translation. That was a decade or so ago though, so I assume things have improved. But complexity ? Oh yeah. Music can be uber complex and I know that lesson well. Thank goodness I never had to earn a living from music ! But complexity to simplify something can be PRICELESS I think. I'm currently in my floorboard and preamp phase but they have the obvious limitations of uneven quality and quantity of effects and distortions, so they are a compromise for simplicity, and if I want better and more flexible sound I'll probably get a large router just to play 8 Pignoses at the same time for grins, and attempt to organize an unruly flock of pedals in the future. But you know the value of a complex pedal setup already. And I suspect you have quite an array of cool sounds at your fingertips...and who doesn't want that to play with ? Yep, that could be very interesting indeed ! Pedals can sound so different depending on where they are placed, and you can try all sorts of unusual combinations and stacks. Just gotta avoid exploding your brain ! ES-8 has NO A/D conversion, each loop is full analog, and has switchable input/output buffers at the front and end of the unit per-patch as well. It will do true bypass on demand. I also have a little 4-unit (not movable) MIDI-controlled switcher for 4 pedals at the end of the "master board" that's controllable with the ES-8 (and I have 4 footswitches hooked up so they're on/off per-patch too.
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Post by reverendrob on Feb 20, 2022 18:51:52 GMT -5
The "master" board, there's sub-boards for each amp (I normally have the three hooked up and running, and have a few more as options) Pardon the lighting, it's intentionally low-light ambient purple. The ES-8 is the beating heart of the master board that feeds all the amps though - the parallel option alone was worth the price of admission as oscillating fuzzes do marvelous things when you cut off their signal but the output is still bleeting on. Taken before I moved the studio rack out to the kitchen/control room (other side of the wall. If I want more "air" I can open the two garage doors (it was set up as a drive-in shop for a tool salesman) and run outdoor mics if I want as well so the room doesn't get overloaded with volume (unless that's the desired effect). It will get loud - not pictured are the Katana and Mustang V heads!
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Post by gbfun on Feb 21, 2022 4:36:40 GMT -5
Well that right there is the poster child photo for an "unruly bunch of pedals"...I'd guess about 50 or 60 pounds ! And I had a similar unruly pedal mountain all designed to get my best sounds out of 3 guitars. I'm pretty particular about sound. But how would I carry all that stuff to a jam ? I could stuff it in a big case like the pros on Youtube, but then I remembered *duh* I'm not a Pro and never would be. So I compromised and downsized. But YOU probably could use a Pro case with rollers. Youtube shows all sorts of possible solutions. And you could probably run it off a couple Li-on battery packs as well. Might be less noisy and you wouldn't care about power surges, lighting strikes, brown outs and faulty wiring when you play out. But you could also power all the pedals AND the amps and have backup power if you invest in a large portable power station(1500 watts or so). I say this because when I lived "in the trees", I lost power 10 to 20 times a YEAR. Well, that's a fun looking bunch of tech there ! I'm going to look up the ES-8 and hope I don't get any G.A.S. symptoms... ceder : each battery TYPE has it's own signature Voltage drop curve and starting Voltage value. For example, rechargeables start at 1.2v and gradually drop in voltage as you use them.(you need 6 batteries to produce 9v). Alkaline batteries start high, like 1.6V and you need 4 batteries to produce 9v. They also seem to last longer than carbon batteries(the cheap one's). The carbon batteries are cheap because they drop in voltage faster than the alkalines though they start around 1.6v or so. It is well known that a voltage drop can significantly affect distortion type pedals and I suggest you get a decent multimeter and test all your batteries to see what voltage they produce. In general, the lower the voltage, the lower the power left. Be aware though, that some batteries behave strangely...especially with rechargeables. They can show voltage but have little power. And all batteries are subject to possible flaws and failures. You might just have a bad battery. Also, not all pedals are the same. I've got the same devices from the same manufacturers and they require significantly different amounts of power ! But my guess is the wall wart is providing the current and voltage needed by your device, and the puny carbon battery can't. Or buy a pack of them and get ready to monitor and switch them out fairly quickly. Unless you find a germanium fuzz and like the sound of low voltage fuzz like Rev said ! And when you get the exact sound you want, wrap that battery up and only insert it just before performing your fuzz song. At the end of the song, or maybe in the middle of it, the battery will be dead ! LOL That's the old days for ya. Anyway, I doubt anyone uses a carbon battery for anything unless its the only one around. Works pretty good in Harbor Freight free flashlights though. Until they leak in a year or so...
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Post by reverendrob on Feb 21, 2022 6:33:43 GMT -5
It's at that point.
I haven't gigged in 20 years, I don't intend to return. I'm a studio junkie at this point, if I had to do a live gig I'd just bring 10-12 pedals and call it good and a guitar synth realistically.
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Post by gbfun on Feb 22, 2022 4:04:17 GMT -5
Geez, I could get lost for 8 months in your amps and toys. At least ! Good thing I can't. I gotta get some other stuff done ! Guitar synth ? I didn't see one ! I use the old GR1 myself. Love those old analog sounds coming off my guitar strings ! So much easier on the speakers too... And I have G.A.S. symptoms for the Boss sy-200. Dang thing isn't stereo though. How could they have skipped stereo ? Aargh. Anyway, those sounds are different than the GR1 and don't seem to have much delay at all ! And of course, I WANT them. But no stereo ? Hmm. Should I wait for stereo or split the mono ? Decisions, decisions.
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Post by pdf64 on Feb 22, 2022 7:58:26 GMT -5
… the TSmini, Blues Driver and DS-1. They are supposedly, in order...18ma, 9ma, and 4ma...and that's amazing if true. But at full volume or an average ? … Pedals have a constant current draw, it doesn’t increase with signal like a class AB power amp.
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Post by reverendrob on Feb 22, 2022 17:17:22 GMT -5
Geez, I could get lost for 8 months in your amps and toys. At least ! Good thing I can't. I gotta get some other stuff done ! Guitar synth ? I didn't see one ! I use the old GR1 myself. Love those old analog sounds coming off my guitar strings ! So much easier on the speakers too... And I have G.A.S. symptoms for the Boss sy-200. Dang thing isn't stereo though. How could they have skipped stereo ? Aargh. Anyway, those sounds are different than the GR1 and don't seem to have much delay at all ! And of course, I WANT them. But no stereo ? Hmm. Should I wait for stereo or split the mono ? Decisions, decisions. There's too much to fit in one pane. My racks aren't there either, nor several of the amps, nor the racks of instruments. The GR-55 is the last iteration of the 'external pickup' required guitar synth, and it's an amazing thing with no functional latency and amazing versatility - the integration of the Roland V-Guitar stuff and actual synth engines you can tweak. It's not just "Trumpet 12" and you're stuck with it. I haven't bothered with the SY-200 just because it's a step backwards from what I already have. The only thing I wish they had done was make an upgraded GR-55 with the effects section of a GT-100 or GT-1000 (I have multiple GT-100 series units), as the GR-55's internal effects are the GT-10 era stuff that's not quite as good with a lot less flexibility. It does wonders, mind you, but..it's comparatively limited in scope and quality, and can't be rearranged/routed.
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Post by gbfun on Feb 23, 2022 4:54:35 GMT -5
Yeah, I have a GR55 I haven't used for 5 years or more. Unlike you, I had a lot of issues with it's response, which might be how I have the velocity set. The factory setup was useless to me. It was so frustrating to have that much power and not get a decent response out of it. The relatively slow GR1 was a LOT more stable in my experience. And I have half a dozen GK-2a equipped guitars and one GK-3a. I intend to get to the GR55 in the next couple of months though and hopefully I'll get it whipped into shape. But to tell you the truth, I've been waiting for the gr66 with all the upgrades you mentioned, a better response and a better guitar section ! I did dive into the weeds to tweak sounds for a couple months on the GR55, and for that, yeah. More of that would be good too ! Sadly, my old GR1s are starting to suffer capacitor barf, where they are leaking gook, so I'll have to dive into another rabbit hole I'd rather avoid to fix them or face the GR55 again. I have a feeling that we could put YOUR setup settings in my GR55 and it still won't work very well. These super complicated devices aren't likely to be exactly the same either. In short, I might have gotten a lemon. Wouldn't be the first time ! But we'll see.
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Post by reverendrob on Feb 23, 2022 17:32:13 GMT -5
It's a case of getting the setup right on them is vital (the pickup itself is more than the unit). The scale length settings on the 55 were essential (and why I finally pulled the plug on one as I could use a 24" monster for the first time).
It's also one where the guitar itself has to be in top form intonation-wise, which is where I was unsure that the Bass VI would work at all - it was in very good shape, but the oddity of "let's use a guitar pickup for bass" was a known unknown that Roland themselves hadn't tried.
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Post by gbfun on Feb 24, 2022 3:39:27 GMT -5
Hmm. Stuff to ponder there. I used the default scale lengths and maybe I need to play with this a bit more. My pickups work fine for the GR1. In fact, the extreme curve of the GK-3 is more problematic for the setup than the GK-2a I found. I am surprised you set up using a Bass ! And a 6 string bass using a guitar pickups ? Wow. I'd think the string spacing of the pickup would be too small. But then the extra metal of a bass string might allow sensor sharing maybe. Hard to believe it works though. I wonder if I could rig a guitar pickup for a FenderV then ? Unfortunately, I don't have any extra GKs and the price of these things has skyrocketed. But maybe someday I'll check that out. I don't think the 4 space GKB will work for a FenderV although I rarely use the 1st string. I could just mount it for the 4 strings I use. Maybe in another lifetime. By the way, I did learn that the type of string you use DOES affect sensitivity. Those "coated" guitar strings are harder for the synth to detect ! And you know, using a tuned down guitar and telling the GR55 it's really a bass, might open up a lower range to explore with a guitar. The GR1 expects a certain range and refuses to play the lower notes of my tuned down guitar. But on a GR55 in "bass mode"...maybe ! So many music toys...so little time ! Must...focus...must...focus...no more rabbit holes...must focus...
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Post by reverendrob on Feb 24, 2022 6:16:07 GMT -5
The Bass VI is 30" scale, has guitar spacing on the neck, and is E to E, no lower strings. It's a hybrid beast, basically a Jaguar from hell. And yea, the string types matter a ton. Thankfully, my stock stainless monsters I still have half a brick of (they're discontinued) work well, as do the Labella stainless rounds on the Bass VI. Tuned down-GR55, you don't have to tell it's a bass, you can do +/- 24 per string tuning adjustments on a per-patch basis, and do Vguitar faux basses from Rick to Pbass to Jbass etc. Now don't get me talking about the real oddballs. I do have an Ibanez RGKP-6, after all! GR-55 doesn't have issues with downtuned stuff that I've witnessed; there are two distinct patch modes for "guitar" and "bass" with different factory and user patch locations.
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Post by gbfun on Feb 24, 2022 7:50:34 GMT -5
Nothing more fun than oddball stuff ! I did run across the BassVI and it was so strange I just blanked out and woke up in a different week ! I mean E to E tuned down an octave ? And it looks like a guitar at first. And are those switches the same as the guitar version ? Weird. Not sure what an RGKP-6 is. Maybe you have the only one ? I have 3 guitars that appear to be so rare I can't find any others. But they are rare for a reason...or two...so why make more of them ? Cheapies anyway. So guess what I did with the two patch modes on the GR55 ? I used BOTH for guitar presets to dramatically increase the amount of useable presets. Of course there's a ton of presets already, but there you go ! Hmm. That was a long time ago. Better check that. They use completely different storage on the GR55 though, and I think that's what I did. Not all the guitar options were available in the Bass mode, but I still loaded it up ! You could have your BassVI set up in the bass section and then get extended effects etc in the guitar mode for more BassVI craziness.
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Post by reverendrob on Feb 24, 2022 16:45:25 GMT -5
I don't use the GR-55 for much in the effects realm honestly - I have the racks and external multis and pedals for that! It's pure synth and vguitar and pitch adjust-per-patch. All the Bass VI switches are identical to the Jaguar - slider for each pickup, strangle switch for bass cut. And the RGKP6 is a surreal 24-fret monster with a built in gain circuit and integrated Kaoss Pad.
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Post by gbfun on Feb 25, 2022 3:30:16 GMT -5
Hey...you did it ! Awesome ! I was thinking of trying that too. I gotta cut myself off though. The ultimate guitar is pickups with splits, piezo pickups in the bridge, a gk pickup under the bridge, a Kaoss pad, a Midi thingy I can't remember the name of right now. Of course I haven't been that satisfied with splits or the piezo myself, so maybe delete those ! Sadly, I won't have time to explore all the tech available now. But just imagine if we had all this tech when we were teens ! Heck, I didn't even know I had a full voice high Eb voice until my 40s ! If I had today's tech and my singalong with Bon Jovi and Steve Perry voice in my teens, I would have exploded ! That would have been fun indeed. Sure would've surprised my family ! Maybe in some other universe. I had to go to school and work instead. And 8 to 10 years from my family tradition check out time, I will just focus on having fun with what I have...but since you're easily 20 years ahead of me, I'm really curious about your music now. So have you posted any music we could hear ?
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Post by reverendrob on Feb 25, 2022 4:08:52 GMT -5
I have pushing 30 years of material up, some hundred+ albums and shows. It's not going to be easy listening to put it mildly, it's absolute free improv, and even in studio work I don't "fix" - it's either "keep it as it is, or throw the piece away." I'll do mix and post-production mastering, but not 'clean it up edits" - my normal recording process is 16-24 tracks at a time so I can mix later and don't have to be soundguy in the moment too. rfurtkamp.bandcamp.com/ for completed projects. freejazzfromhell.com/ for current projects/sketchpad/occasional collaborations.
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