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Post by gato on Mar 28, 2022 7:34:40 GMT -5
Why do restaurants serve bread before the meal? I have my own suspicions, but from a Guardian article, here a few responses from readers:
"Bread causes a glucose and insulin spike, which results in you eating more and subsequently a blood-sugar crash 90 minutes later, so you are also more likely to order dessert."
"To keep us buying more drinks while they delay taking our orders."
"The bread is put there to accompany the meal. Either with the starter and/or the main meal. It’s not meant to be eaten as a pre-starter."
I was told that it was to discourage people from changing their mind and leaving; once you’d got stuck into the bread, you were committed
"The only reason I can give is that many guests are a bit cranky when they are hungry. When the restaurant is busy, food sometimes takes longer. If they have something to nibble on, they are more relaxed."
Okay, FDP crowd, why do YOU think restaurants plop down that steaming basket of doughy goodness?
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Post by Leftee on Mar 28, 2022 8:00:03 GMT -5
Because they truly love me.
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Post by Larry Madsen on Mar 28, 2022 8:49:15 GMT -5
If they have something to nibble on, they are more relaxed." I'll go with this one.
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Post by Auf Kiltre on Mar 28, 2022 8:54:14 GMT -5
Probably just a carryover from a long line of grandmothers serving dinner. "Look at you boys, you're skin and bones! Eat this bread while I finish up this meal that'll give you coronary disease by the time you're in your forties".
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Post by rickyguitar on Mar 28, 2022 9:36:18 GMT -5
Like the salt it makes you thirsty so you buy drinks.
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Post by Leftee on Mar 28, 2022 9:43:32 GMT -5
Probably just a carryover from a long line of grandmothers serving dinner. "Look at you boys, you're skin and bones! Eat this bread while I finish up this meal that'll give you coronary disease by the time you're in your forties". I was going to start a thread on this topic. How many here grew up with bread and butter on the lunch/dinner table? I was thinking about this simple pleasure the other day.
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Post by Auf Kiltre on Mar 28, 2022 9:44:42 GMT -5
How many here grew up with bread and butter on the lunch/dinner table? Raises hand
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Post by Mfitz804 on Mar 28, 2022 10:14:56 GMT -5
Probably just a carryover from a long line of grandmothers serving dinner. "Look at you boys, you're skin and bones! Eat this bread while I finish up this meal that'll give you coronary disease by the time you're in your forties". I was going to start a thread on this topic. How many here grew up with bread and butter on the lunch/dinner table? I was thinking about this simple pleasure the other day. Depends what was being served, but usually at dinner. Around here it was usually a loaf of Italian bread. We'll do that when we're making regular pasta with real sauce, but these days we're more likely eating a lower calorie version, which gets no bread. My wife and I and one of our friends recently started joking about this while watching a movie, because every meal served on TV or in movie is accompanied by a basket of dinner rolls. My wife and I remarked how nobody does that, and our friend apparently does.
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Post by Taildragger on Mar 28, 2022 10:36:39 GMT -5
I usually eat a few slices while waiting to post here...
Always assumed that they offer it so that the customer will "feel full" after the meal even if the entree portion is a bit undersized.
More bread is cheaper than more meat.
But that's just a guess.
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Post by gato on Mar 28, 2022 13:06:51 GMT -5
I'm thinking bread makes more sense than mashed potatoes or tater tots.
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Post by LVF on Mar 28, 2022 13:20:37 GMT -5
Restaurant science and intrigue. ?Hmmmmm?
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Post by tahitijack on Mar 28, 2022 13:24:44 GMT -5
In Europe restaurants typically charge for bread and other food items we are served for free in America. I can vision a day where that bowl of chips and salsa is no longer complementary. These are the good old days.
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Post by Auf Kiltre on Mar 28, 2022 13:31:26 GMT -5
I think restaurants should start putting out a complimentary bowl of creamed herring.
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Post by Taildragger on Mar 28, 2022 13:46:34 GMT -5
I think restaurants should start putting out a complimentary bowl of creamed herring. ...or haggis...or kimchi...
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Post by NoSoapRadio on Mar 28, 2022 13:50:39 GMT -5
I love bread. I bake bread -- all kinds of bread and I'm pretty good at it. Humans have been eating bread for almost as long as there have been humans. Why on God's green earth would I listen to anyone who says suddenly that bread is bad for us?
In my experience, the bread, or if they serve bread, is the first indication of how everything else go. If you can't get the bread right you probably can't get anything else right.
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Post by Auf Kiltre on Mar 28, 2022 13:54:11 GMT -5
I love bread. I bake bread -- all kinds of bread and I'm pretty good at it. Humans have been eating bread for almost as long as there have been humans. Why on God's green earth would I listen to anyone who says suddenly that bread is bad for us? In my experience, the bread, or if they serve bread, is the first indication of how everything else go. If you can't get the bread right you probably can't get anything else right. My wife and I have been talking about baking our own bread. We probably need a separate thread on the particulars (equipment and recipes). My recent barrage of labs ruled out Celiac, so thankfully I'm good to go with the gluten.
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Post by NoSoapRadio on Mar 28, 2022 13:56:09 GMT -5
I'm in.
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Post by oldnjplayer on Mar 29, 2022 6:40:42 GMT -5
I think bread is often served just to quell hunger while people are waiting for their meal. There used to be a very popular place in NJ that was known for the delicious breads that were put on the table with the menus. Cheese, whole wheat, etc. Growing up bread was wonder white with butter. Did not discover the wonders of great bread until I was an adult. Now I have to contain myself or I would be even heavier than I am now.
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Post by GmanNJ on Mar 29, 2022 7:05:06 GMT -5
I can vision a day where that bowl of chips and salsa is no longer complementary. Last time I was at a chilis (pre-pandemic) they charged us for the ships and salsa. They did not put it out but when we asked (as its usually free) they said there is a fee and guac would be extra have not been back since (mostly due to the food I must admit)
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Post by HenryJ on Mar 29, 2022 7:48:17 GMT -5
I don't know, but it might be a tradition going back to the Great Depression of the 1930s, when food was somewhat scarce and people were hungry.
My wife is the youngest of 6 children. The 4 oldest were born in the '30s. They were told "eat whatever you are offered because you don't know when your next meal will be." They were the overweight ones. One of those 4 and the younger two are still alive.
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Post by Stratluvr on Mar 29, 2022 12:50:22 GMT -5
Bread has been eaten for at least 5000 years. It is one of earliest products made by humans for consumption. Having said that, it isn't actually good for people to eat due to the insulin spiking that goes on with the high levels of sugars that it turns into once it digests.
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Post by Laker on Mar 29, 2022 13:09:05 GMT -5
From the LA Times:
This question was recently posed to Quora, and commenters posited lots of different theories. We’ll lay them out as simply as possible:
One, it’s a sign of hospitality. When you welcome people into your home or establishment to “break bread,” you’re showing them that they’re welcome.
Two, there’s a historical precedent. Tavern owners historically served one meal per day, at a set time and for a set price, so filling diners up on bread before the main course of meat, fish, or other more expensive foods helped keep expenses down.
Three, it’s a way to give diners something to do before their food arrives. When we sit down at a restaurant table we tend to be hungry, but it can take some time before the food arrives. Instead of letting customers sit around with nothing to eat, starving and watching other tables enjoy their food, giving them a little bread and butter to tide them over keeps them happy and prevents them from becoming impatient.
Four, it inspires subconscious reciprocity. If a generous and warm bread basket is placed on a table before the diner has a chance to order, he or she will subconsciously want to return the favor: “They were generous with their bread, so now I’ll be generous with them.” It puts customers in a generous frame of mind.
Five, bread actually makes you hungrier. Simple carbohydrates trigger insulin production, which makes you hungrier than you were before, and you most likely won’t feel any fullness from the bread until after you’re done ordering.
So there you have it: There are plenty of reasons for serving bread before a restaurant meal. Oh, and don’t assume that it’s free; the price of the bread is usually worked into the rest of the menu items
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Post by Mfitz804 on Mar 29, 2022 13:24:43 GMT -5
One of our favorite memories of our daughter's younger years was taking her to DelFrisco's Double Eagle Steakhouse near Radio City Music Hall, her first time at a moderately fancy restaurant. We were definitely worried about it as young parents. She was probably 2 at the time. We walked in and the whole place is dead silent and full of Manhattan business-lunch types, not a kid to be seen.
It was her first experience with a bread basket, and let's just say as soon as she saw it, she was in love. She tried each kind of bread. Pretty quickly the basket was empty (my wife and I obviously assisted in that). But she wasn't done.
She kept peeking under the folded napkin that had been around the bread, and was hoping another piece would magically appear. It didn't, so she took matters into her own hands, and started exclaiming "MORE BREAD? MORE BREAD DADA?", multiple times, loudly, in a dead silent restaurant. My wife was freaking out because she was worried people would be upset (they weren't, they were laughing and telling the waitstaff "She needs more bread, bring some more!!".
As second basket was soon provided, and she was quite happy. I believe she may have eaten a bite of steak, I KNOW she ate mashed potatoes.
We still talk about it, and every Christmas when we go in to see the Rockefeller Center tree, we walk by and one (or all) of us will start calling for MORE BREAD!! She has tickets to a concert there for her birthday, and we've made a reservation at DelFrisco's for that night.
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Post by Ragtop on Mar 30, 2022 7:20:38 GMT -5
I like bread, but I LOVE good butter.
I see bread as a delivery system for butter. But I have to stay away from carbs these days, so my intake of both is greatly reduced.
I miss both. Even more than I miss beer.
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Post by HenryJ on Mar 30, 2022 7:33:59 GMT -5
Bread has been eaten for at least 5000 years. It is one of earliest products made by humans for consumption. Having said that, it isn't actually good for people to eat due to the insulin spiking that goes on with the high levels of sugars that it turns into once it digests. We used to eat at a restaurant called Macaroni Grille. When they brought out the bread, they also brought out olive oil to dip the bread in. Olive oil is said to be good for you.
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Post by Mfitz804 on Mar 30, 2022 7:58:50 GMT -5
Bread has been eaten for at least 5000 years. It is one of earliest products made by humans for consumption. Having said that, it isn't actually good for people to eat due to the insulin spiking that goes on with the high levels of sugars that it turns into once it digests. We used to eat at a restaurant called Macaroni Grille. When they brought out the bread, they also brought out olive oil to dip the bread in. Olive oil is said to be good for you. Is Macaroni Grill the only place you have seen this? Around here, every good Italian restaurant (which Macaroni Grill is trying to simulate) does exactly this.
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Post by Leftee on Mar 30, 2022 8:02:26 GMT -5
Baker is the second oldest profession.
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Post by slacker 🐨 on Mar 30, 2022 10:27:55 GMT -5
I grew up with rolls on the dinner table for many of our meals. Steak? Rolls. Pasta? rolls. Casserole? Rolls.
We did the pillsbury croissants quite a bit, but also the classic dinner rolls or a crusty bread loaf. I drive my wife nuts because I want bread with spaghetti and she says there's plenty of carbs in the pasta. I like to use bread to sop up the leftover sauce. Honestly, skip the pasta and just give me sauce and bread.
Italian places here all serve bread with olive oil and quality parmesan cheese when you sit down. I've always considered it to be the Italian version of chips and salsa. When I eat at those places, I fill up on those (not be design....just can't quit eating them) and end up taking most of my entrée home.
We never did the crappy loaf bread for sandwiches. My dad always had a 12 grain something or other that was really hearty and stood up to a well crafted sandwich. It made great toast too. We also used to get bread that was baked in a local monastery at farmer's market. Always a treat.
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