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Post by fkaJimmySee on Apr 15, 2022 12:39:03 GMT -5
It's one of those events for which there is no good explanation for Russia. It's like, "Are you stupid, or just dumb?"
It's either:
a) we got hit by enemy fire and were sunk; or
b) there was an explosion that set off the munitions on board and we sunk.
Either way, driven by incompetence.
I can't imagine the Kremlin is too pleased with that.
It was, apparently, the flagship of the Black Sea fleet. Does that mean the Admiral was on board? Unless he went down with his ship, bet he's got some 'splainin' to do.
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Post by rickyguitar on Apr 15, 2022 12:41:57 GMT -5
Well it is the 2nd ship they lost there. And they did move the rest away...
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Post by Taildragger on Apr 15, 2022 12:44:24 GMT -5
Funniest comment I saw in regard to the sinking:
"It didn't sink: it's gone on an under-water 'special operation'".
Seems like defensive posture in a war zone ("how could we have known they'd attack the flagship of our fleet?") and subsequent damage control measures may have left something to be desired.
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Post by gato on Apr 15, 2022 12:50:45 GMT -5
Maybe they should have a flagship submarine.
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Post by Leftee on Apr 15, 2022 12:51:15 GMT -5
Maybe they should have a flagship submarine. Well… as it happens… |
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Post by NoSoapRadio on Apr 15, 2022 13:05:02 GMT -5
I'm having trouble believing any of the reporting we are getting related to this cluster fooch -- neither side has any reason to report the truth, and we certainly can't count on our own media to do any actual journalism.
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Post by fkaJimmySee on Apr 15, 2022 13:11:34 GMT -5
I'm having trouble believing any of the reporting we are getting related to this cluster fooch -- neither side has any reason to report the truth, and we certainly can't count on our own media to any actual journalism. Russia confirms the ship sank. Start from there. |
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Post by Leftee on Apr 15, 2022 14:24:46 GMT -5
I trust Twitter.
My concern is that this might be a “Broken Arrow” incident. What we know… the ship is at the bottom of the Black Sea. What was on her?
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Post by Leftee on Apr 15, 2022 14:26:34 GMT -5
Posting to say that this thread might not fare well.
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Post by NoSoapRadio on Apr 15, 2022 14:34:24 GMT -5
Russia confirms the ship sank. Start from there. So we are to believe reports from Russia? Why would they confirm something that makes them look weak or incompetent, or gives Ukraine a perceived victory? Maybe it's true -- but given the fact that the U.S. media has picked a side, i.e., Ukraine, it seems unlikely that anything we are hearing or reading can be accepted on face value. |
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Post by Leftee on Apr 15, 2022 14:37:42 GMT -5
Russia has confirmed that the ship sank due to a fire and munitions exploding.
No cause was mentioned.
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Post by Leftee on Apr 15, 2022 14:41:33 GMT -5
I don’t see this thread going well. I’ve locked it. The head giraffe can weigh in. 🙂
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Post by Mfitz804 on Apr 15, 2022 15:01:12 GMT -5
Keep it locked. Foreign politics is still politics.
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