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Post by surfinboy on May 5, 2022 22:27:42 GMT -5
I fear the planet is running on fumes, and it all stems from conflicts between people. Wars, industry, etc. I'd love to think people are inherently cooperative, but so often that hasn't been the case. Are humans designed to have conflicts over resources, etc? Sorry to sound so "Why can't we all get along" but this has really been troubling me over the past decade or so.
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Post by Taildragger on May 5, 2022 23:01:17 GMT -5
In a lot of ways, most of human history is a sad, sad tale.
What I do to try to keep it from getting me down is treat other people in such a way that if everybody did the same, the world might be a better, happier place. Not saying I always "get it right", not by a long stretch, or that I have any illusions about the effectiveness of this course of action, but I try. If nothing else, it let's me feel like at least I'm not exacerbating to the problem in some egregious fashion.
Maybe I'm dreaming...
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Post by surfinboy on May 5, 2022 23:23:54 GMT -5
I vote Taildragger for winning the internet tonight—a lot of wisdom in that answer.
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Post by Auf Kiltre on May 5, 2022 23:24:42 GMT -5
The source? Predation, I suppose. Victims and villains, same as it always was. As a group of musicians we see Beethoven through The Beatles, always with the backdrop of war and conflict.
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Post by walshb 🦒 on May 6, 2022 6:13:56 GMT -5
You may just be watching too much news. This thread pretty much sums it up, for me. The source
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Post by gato on May 6, 2022 7:18:20 GMT -5
IMHO the source of human conflict sits atop our shoulders:
Our majestic, rational, creative brain is too often ruled / overruled by our lizard brain.
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Post by LeftyMeister on May 6, 2022 7:48:47 GMT -5
What I do to try to keep it from getting me down is treat other people in such a way that if everybody did the same, the world might be a better, happier place. The Golden Rule... "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you."
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Post by HenryJ on May 6, 2022 8:11:52 GMT -5
"Let there be peace on earth And let it begin with me."
Now, if there were only more "mes" to take the initiative to make peace on earth...
"If you smile at me, I will understand 'Cause that is something everybody everywhere does in the same language
I can see by your coat, my friend, you're from the other side There's just one thing I got to know Can you tell me please, who won?
Say, can I have some of your purple berries? Yes, I've been eating them for six or seven weeks now, haven't got sick once
Probably keep us both alive"
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Post by Mfitz804 on May 6, 2022 8:21:16 GMT -5
If this thread is to survive, it will have to be kept free of religious content. Not locking it now, but heading that way.
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Post by Leftee on May 6, 2022 8:30:36 GMT -5
We see the source of all this every time we look in the mirror. It is just a matter of degree.
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Post by modbus on May 6, 2022 8:43:54 GMT -5
I think we've gone beyond pictures of cats and have *breaks "in case of emergency" glass* gone into Defcon Baby Duck:
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Post by RufusTeleStrat on May 6, 2022 10:47:31 GMT -5
The problem is the golden rule most follow is those with the gold makes the rules. The second part is do unto others before they think of doing it to you.
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Post by Taildragger on May 6, 2022 10:58:33 GMT -5
IMHO the source of human conflict sits atop our shoulders: Our majestic, rational, creative brain is too often ruled / overruled by our lizard brain. I agree that part of the problem does lie in the manner in which the human brain evolved. The most primitive ("lizard") parts thereof are designed to react in a reflexive, often violent manner to perceived, existential threats. These responses are often excellent for the short-term survival of the individual, but may not be so good for the long-term survival prospects of the species. Humans are capable of amazing creativity, great benevolence and impeccably logical philosophy. The problem is, when faced with a mortal threat, one must first survive the moment before any of those products of higher mental function can begin to come into play.
A few other random considerations which may pertain:
•I once read in some book about early childhood development that said a person's ability/tendency to empathize with other people arises at a pretty early age. If that developmental "window" is missed, all else being equal, the person will tend to be less likely to consider the feelings/best interests of others into his/her future decision-making processes.
•A vicious thug with a weapon will generally be the sole survivor of a one-on-one confrontation with a benevolent pacifist.
•From the individual's point of view, our species is the product of a pretty brutal ecosystem. We have existed through time as both predator and prey. Our hunter-gatherer ancestors were no doubt keen observers of the real-life dramas they witnessed on a daily basis. This ongoing battle for survival taught them that strength, cunning and a willingness to kill generally had higher survival value than fairness and sentimentality. If you watch predators in the wild (rather than just in Disney cartoons) you learn pretty quickly that they often start eating their prey while it is still alive: not a lot of empathy, there. Many young prey animals learn to stand and even run within an hour of having been born for good reason: their lives depend on it. Nature is indeed "red in tooth and claw".
•For our ancestors, living by their wits out on the plain, the burning question was, "how can I stay alive til tomorrow...or even for the next 5 minutes?", not "what course of action would be in the best interest of the long-term survival of both my species and the planet?". The conundrum arises from the fact that we evolved to find an answer to the first question, not the second, and that the answers to the two questions are often not the same.
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Post by Leftee on May 6, 2022 12:45:48 GMT -5
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Post by hushnel on May 6, 2022 13:30:26 GMT -5
I’m with Taildragger. I go out of my way to keep positive, sometimes it’s a bit of a struggle. I treat people like I’d like them to treat me.
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Post by Taildragger on May 6, 2022 13:48:05 GMT -5
Very bucolic.
In an inflatable sort of way...
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Post by Mfitz804 on May 6, 2022 15:11:54 GMT -5
And that’s that on this topic. First Religion, then war, then politics.
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