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Post by surfinboy on May 5, 2022 23:30:23 GMT -5
Just love the way my Tele plays but it must be sending signals to the moon for how loud it hums when no one else is playing. I got it shielded, have good power that should eliminate ground loops, and it's still one of its stubborn traits. I'm considering trying some DiMarzio noiseless, but I recently tried Fender Noiseless and didn't like them. Do I just accept and live with it?
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Post by DrKev on May 6, 2022 3:20:10 GMT -5
I have DiMarzio Area noiseless strat singles in one guitar and I love them. Eyes closed nobody can tell they are not "real" single coils. They are truly humbucker quiet and sound great.
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Post by ninworks on May 6, 2022 6:04:31 GMT -5
Other than noiseless pickups you don't have a lot of options. The hum isn't usually very noticeable while you are playing. It's when you stop that it sticks out. Riding the volume knob or using a volume pedal to turn it down when you're not playing are some of the best options. You can use a noise gate pedal but I for one have never liked them. When they are set to be sensitive enough to shut the volume all the way off they chop of the attack of the following notes. It's more forgiving if you don't have the pedal shut it all the way off but that leaves sum hum to be heard so why even bother.
If you're using either an overdrive pedal or driving an amp into distortion the hum problem is worse. Even with humbuckers. They don't eliminate it completely.
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Post by Leftee on May 6, 2022 6:18:38 GMT -5
Ditto the DiMarzio observation. I’d give those a shot.
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Post by Jim622 on May 6, 2022 7:21:13 GMT -5
I have DiMarzio Area noiseless strat singles in one guitar and I love them. Eyes closed nobody can tell they are not "real" single coils. They are truly humbucker quiet and sound great. Ditto |
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Post by langford on May 6, 2022 8:06:58 GMT -5
Surf... How much hum do you get when your pickup selector is in the middle position?
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Post by Auf Kiltre on May 6, 2022 8:34:14 GMT -5
Bill Lawrence Wilde Noisefree pickups are a decent option too.
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Post by MoJoe on May 6, 2022 10:01:55 GMT -5
+2 DiMarzio. Have a discontinued DM in my favorite Tele. I think it's the predecessor of the Heavy Blues or so. Best sounding bridge pu of the lot and zero hum.
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Post by MoJoe on May 6, 2022 10:24:20 GMT -5
Probably a Hot T, pre Area. Broadcaster sound.
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Post by funkykikuchiyo on May 6, 2022 10:36:19 GMT -5
Yeah.
Electric guitars, broadly speaking, have two kinds of hum. You have the deeper 60hz hum which is what single coils get and humbuckers don't. It is electromagnetic interference from surrounding electrical devices. Electric currents give off magnetic signals, and magnets can generate electric current. Pickup inductor coils sense magnetic fields by design (they sense the changing magnetic field with the steel strings), so they will pick up other things like a big motor or funky flourescent light fixture. Shielding doesn't fix this. That is because shielding doesn't guard against magnets. Two magnets separated by a copper sheet will still attract each other (though you may get eddy current loading, but that's another matter).
Shielding is for another kind of noise, broadly described as RF. That is the noise that changes when you touch the strings, helping to ground your instrument.
If the noise you're still getting is 60hz, then your options are things like hum cancelling pickups, or maybe some hum cancelling device of some kind. If you're still getting RF even after the shielding and so forth, then something is wrong. Maybe the shielding was installed but not grounded, or something else. Sometimes on Teles the bridges won't get grounded, especially after a pickup swap. This is because they are traditionally grounded by way of the pickup baseplate and no ground wire is installed, but if a pickup is installed that doesn't have a baseplate many people will forget that the bridge still needs to be grounded and not install an extra wire to do that. The telltale sign of that is if the noise gets louder when you touch the strings instead of quieter.
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Post by Auf Kiltre on May 6, 2022 13:01:24 GMT -5
I recall that I recorded the Tele in this track with Wilde Noiseless pickups, FWIW. Dead quiet.
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Post by rdr on May 6, 2022 14:51:53 GMT -5
Anybody try the Mojotone Quiet Coil pickups?
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Post by pcalu on May 6, 2022 18:46:23 GMT -5
I've never had a problem with standard single coils.
In the past... I played Dimarzio Area T for years I liked them, but for me, they are just not the same as a true single coil. (very good noiseless pups through)
You say you grounded and shielded your guitar... can you describe what you did? How about your Amp and any effects as far as a ground loop? Everything is going though one power source and into one outlet? Do you use a pedal rig? Does that have a dedicated controlled power source... then is that drawing 110 ac from the same source your amp is?
Last, let's talk your signal.
What is the gain level (not overdrive) but signal gain. It could be to high... yea you have sustain for days, yea it overdrives the amp... but that could also magnify your hum (reg 60 cyc or ground hum) is your compressor or boost set to high (or volume level of a overdrive or distortion pedal) this can also overload your amps tone stack in bad ways... like causing a speaker base response to flub (which isn't the speaker itself but the tone stack (not the preamp tubes) but the tone stack itself.. When you hear people cite a speaker flubbing or farting (only way a speaker flubs naturally is if its pushed beyond its capability and that's rare) 90% of the time, it's their signal overloading the amps tone stack causing the farting or flubbing.
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Post by Rick Knight on May 12, 2022 7:37:58 GMT -5
I like my Bill Lawrence Wilde Noisefree Teles. I have used the older DiMarzio Virtual Vintage Tele and Strat pickups with good results, and like my Area bass pickups; so I would expect to like Area Teles too.
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Post by Tequila Rob on May 12, 2022 10:49:18 GMT -5
aggravating as hell eh?.....just some other thoughts on this....sometimes older homes have electrical systems in houses can cause weird noises, especially if there have been additions, modifications done to it...have you tried plugging straight into the amp in another location in your house?...plugging into a circuit that's shared with other devices is also a possibility..i.e., timers, transformers, etc....any issues with any of your other guitars?..assuming you have more than 1 I've owned probably as many as 30 tele's in my time...many of them put together from parts and I've never had any ground issues like you describe...although I do have a custom wound single coil set that has a slight bit of hum, but it's live able... Fralin makes a single coil sized split blade humbucker...that I really like....also Barden's...but they are a different animal... anyway...best of luck and if you DO figure it out....post back so we can celebrate!....  |
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Post by Auf Kiltre on May 12, 2022 11:13:23 GMT -5
I've ultimately gone back to noise-laden single coils on my Teles (both of 'em). I do use the middle noise canceling position a lot, or just find that sweet spot in the swivel seat where the noise is the most tolerable. I did the same with my 2x P90 LP, stored the Kent Armstrong Stealth 90's. All fine noiseless pickups but some guitars just don't need to be polite.
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Post by modbus on May 12, 2022 20:32:49 GMT -5
Back when I was gigging in crappy bars with even crappier wiring, my Strat would howl in between songs. I tried just turning the volume pot down between songs, which worked, but I'd sometimes forget to turn the volume back up when a song started, which was bad.
What I did was put in a Lace Sensor Gold in the neck position, and park on the neck position in between songs. If I would forget it put it back to the bridge position, it really wasn't a big deal like forgetting to turn up the volume. While it wasn't 100% noiseless, it was much, much, much better. I really liked the tone of the Lace Sensor too, it matched up really well with the pickups they were putting in American Strats back in the mid 90s.
I had planned on putting Lace Sensors in the middle and bridge, but I quit gigging and never really felt the need to after that.
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