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Post by oldfartbassplayrwalt on May 19, 2022 13:13:29 GMT -5
The Band has always been second-tier in my CD listening choices; I just could not love them. And Robbie just annoyed me, with his scratchy, trebly leads. So I only did occasional listens, usually in the background.
I've just finished reading a biograpy, "Across the Great Divide: The Band and America" by Barney Hoskyns. GREAT book, combines history, cultural, personal interactions, insights into their recordings, and a critical eye to all their strengths and warts.
But after reading some tasty details on how some songs were put together, I gave LPs 1-4 a closer, critical re-listen. And WOW- all the acclaim was deserved, after all. The interwoven 3 part harmonies threading in and out gave chills. Garth always was a monster player to me. But I only now really listened to Levon's quirky drum patterns, pushed by Rick's tuba-like fretless ampeg bass bottom. (Strange, a lot of my OldFartBassPlaying style seems borrowed from the Danko school, so somewhere 50 years ago I had to have been listening). The music was somehow sparse, but multi-timbral at the same time. I guess each individual note fit perfectly. They were truly a musical treasure.
But a large part of my epiphany was with Robbie. His songwriting? Geez, at least 4 albums worth of top notch, original lyrical material, with perfect understated melodic accompaniment. And sorry, Levon, it really doesn't look like you guys contributed to the songwriting effort much after the first album, for whatever reasons. Yep, his solo 'leads' are still annoying, unremarkable. However, closer listening to his accompaniment parts supporting each song gave me new respect for his musicianship. But I still don't love him as person.
So, challenge for the day- pick a group you should like better than you do, and give a closer, serious listen. You may have been missing something.
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Post by Auf Kiltre on May 19, 2022 13:55:21 GMT -5
Sticking with The Band, I've always found them great and kind of enigmatic. Levon's baying voice, Richard Manuel's soulful and often Ray Charles-like vocal (his performance of "Georgia on my Mind" on SNL nearly made me cry). Danko's loopy bass and plaintiff voice, Garth's carnival keyboard delivery. Robbie turned me off a bit with his googly eyed mugging in The Last Waltz. I always kinda dug his guitar playing but took note early that his solos seemed to start strong and then went off the rails.
But the most perplexing thing to me was the apparent absence of that greatness as a writer (the imagery!) as a solo artist. It really made me wonder how much was truly uncredited to the other members, songwriting-wise.
I saw them at Pine Knob in Michigan back in the day and that show reaffirmed my belief they were a much better band live than in the studio. Garth waddling up front to blow a beautiful soprano sax solo during Ophelia, priceless.
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Post by rok-a-bill-e on May 19, 2022 13:56:38 GMT -5
I'm such a total Levon Helm fan that I can't be objective about Robbie, but yeah, I love The Band, and I play them often. Lots of cool, unique singing voices in one band.
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Post by Taildragger on May 19, 2022 15:46:07 GMT -5
Yeah...sure didn't seem to be any love lost between Levon and Robbie after a point. Come to think about it, that's kind of an nonsensical phrase: should be "all the love was lost" They never did reconcile before Levon passed, did they? Kind of a shame.
That Brown Album and "Stage Fright" utterly killed.
Didn't really like The Band when I first heard "Music From Big Pink".. I'd seen them back Dylan live a couple of times so I knew they were excellent players, but the quirky vocal harmonies they sang on their own put me off. Once I warmed to that, I was all in. What they did was so totally different from anything else that was being played even on FM radio at the time.
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Post by LeftyMeister on May 19, 2022 15:59:32 GMT -5
I like a lot of their music, especially The Shape I'm In and Cripple Creek.
Robbie sure was full of himself in The Last Waltz. It made it hard to watch the interviews.
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Post by Auf Kiltre on May 19, 2022 16:05:13 GMT -5
I got turned onto them with Rock of Ages. What a great live album.
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Post by NoSoapRadio on May 19, 2022 16:53:38 GMT -5
I'm also a Levon fan. I rarely sit down and listen to one of their records cover to cover but when you tally up all the great songs they gave us it's hard to imagine life without them. This is a great version of The Weight -- I love Robbie's double neck guitar/mandolin and Levon's gorgeous drum kit -- and of course, Mavis Staples.
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Post by rok-a-bill-e on May 19, 2022 17:01:48 GMT -5
^^ Both Levon and Mavis are in my Pandora mix station, so I hear that one quite often. Mavis is still making killer music today.
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Post by Taildragger on May 19, 2022 17:49:20 GMT -5
Saw Mavis live a few (5, maybe?) years ago backed by Joe Krown and the North Mississippi Allstars.
Quite a show and, yes: she still brings it.
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Post by Vibroluxer on May 19, 2022 18:28:50 GMT -5
A really good documentary about Levon making his last album is "Ain't in It for My Health: A Film about Levon Helm". Characteristic Levon humor.
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Post by Taildragger on May 19, 2022 19:23:30 GMT -5
Levon played some bit parts in some movies as well:
•"Coal Miner's Daughter" (1980) with Cissy Spacek and Tommy Lee Jones
•"The Three Burials of Melquiades Estrada" (2005) with Tommy Lee Jones and Dwight Yoakam
•"Shooter" (2007) with Mark Walburg, Danny Glover, Ned Beatty, Michael Peña
and several others I haven't seen.
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Post by markfromhawaii on May 19, 2022 22:16:14 GMT -5
As far as his guitar playing is concerned, Robbie seemed to hold his own playing with Clapton on “Further On Down the Road”.
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Post by LeftyMeister on May 20, 2022 6:37:58 GMT -5
^^^ The first salvo was good but the wheels came off on the second one.
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Post by krrf on May 21, 2022 12:26:44 GMT -5
I must be too young, they had zero influence or impact on me at all.
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Post by Taildragger on May 21, 2022 12:33:20 GMT -5
I must be too young, they had zero influence or impact on me at all. When it comes to appreciating them, having grown up listening to Honky-Tonk Country, 1950s Rock and Rockabilly helps...
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Post by krrf on May 21, 2022 12:43:57 GMT -5
I must be too young, they had zero influence or impact on me at all. When it comes to appreciating them, having grown up listening to Honky-Tonk Country, 1950s Rock and Rockabilly helps... I did, I came up during the rockabilly revival of the early 80's. The Blasters are from the town next door to me growing up. I guess maybe my frame of reference is just different for that sort of music and I don't connect them to it.
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Post by Taildragger on May 21, 2022 12:52:00 GMT -5
No problem with that.
There's plenty of music, the execution of which I can appreciate, which just doesn't appeal to my taste at all: 99.9% of opera, for example.
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