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Post by Lesterstrat on May 31, 2022 8:29:14 GMT -5
I watched this movie for the first time yesterday. I was already familiar with the Ford vs. Ferrari story, but I found the movie to be decent. It dragged a bit here and there, but over all I liked it. My biggest take away was Ken Miles got screwed out of the Triple Crown due to Ford giving team orders. That had to suck!
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Post by Riff Twang on May 31, 2022 8:48:55 GMT -5
I saw it a while ago, and liked it.
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Post by Mfitz804 on May 31, 2022 9:44:37 GMT -5
Who won??
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Post by Lesterstrat on May 31, 2022 10:38:46 GMT -5
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Post by jtheissen on May 31, 2022 11:54:18 GMT -5
Well done and pretty factual.
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Post by slacker 🐨 on May 31, 2022 14:54:49 GMT -5
I liked it, but some of the race scenes showing endless clips of the tach while the driver shifted got a bit old.
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Post by Ricketi on May 31, 2022 21:00:09 GMT -5
I haven't seen this yet, I will have to give a go.
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Post by K4 on May 31, 2022 21:37:46 GMT -5
I liked it, but some of the race scenes showing endless clips of the tach while the driver shifted got a bit old. That was to add drama. The 427 at that point in time had a valve train that failed when revved over 6000 RPM. |
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Post by guildx700 on May 31, 2022 22:09:38 GMT -5
I liked it, but some of the race scenes showing endless clips of the tach while the driver shifted got a bit old. That was to add drama. The 427 at that point in time had a valve train that failed when revved over 6000 RPM. That's pretty sad. Back in the day I had a killer Pontiac pro built RA IV 400 that would spin comfortably to 7,000. Had Crane's wildest roller cam with rev kit and stud girdles, triple valve springs, 13.75 comp. True Forge pistons, massaged Moldex billet forged crank, Carillo forged rods, seasoned 4 bolt block, Holly race prepped 850 double pumper, Eldebrock Tarantula honed intake with ram air hood, Hooker large long tube headers, but the real star of that show were the RA IV heads, ported by Diamond Elkins, they flowed something seriously. Not sure of the exact HP, but in a very lightweight, stripper 1972 Pontiac Catalina with a 9" holeshot converter, 3:55 rear 12 bolt posi, riser shocks for weight transfer, a race prepped THM 400 with low first gear and reverse shift pattern and stout race gas, with shaved huge MT rear tires fit into the stock wheel wells with reverse offset rims, 10.8's at 119 were fairly consistent. Never lost a street race out on highway 100 in Milwaukee with it. Sleeper it was. I miss that car. And that engine. |
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Post by Ricketi on May 31, 2022 22:21:57 GMT -5
Never lost a street race out on highway 100 in Milwaukee with it. Sleeper it was. I miss that car. And that engine. The good old days of cruising Highway 100. I had a 68 T-Bird with a 429 that I had fun with. |
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Post by guildx700 on May 31, 2022 23:01:13 GMT -5
Never lost a street race out on highway 100 in Milwaukee with it. Sleeper it was. I miss that car. And that engine. The good old days of cruising Highway 100. I had a 68 T-Bird with a 429 that I had fun with. When the Street Machine Nationals were there back then it was a wild night. |
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Post by K4 on Jun 1, 2022 3:46:18 GMT -5
Never lost a street race out on highway 100 in Milwaukee with it You were revving it to 7000 for a second, second and a half at a time if even that. The road race cars would hold that RPM for 15 or 20 seconds at a time each lap, lap after lap after lap...... for 24 hours. Sorry your Pontiac wouldn't last under these conditions either. |
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Post by slacker 🐨 on Jun 1, 2022 8:12:30 GMT -5
I liked it, but some of the race scenes showing endless clips of the tach while the driver shifted got a bit old. That was to add drama. The 427 at that point in time had a valve train that failed when revved over 6000 RPM. ....Unless it's a critical moment in the race where the Ford driver can magically push it past to triumphantly win the race. |
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Post by K4 on Jun 1, 2022 11:32:20 GMT -5
Unless it's a critical moment in the race where the Ford driver can magically push it past to triumphantly win the race. You gotta give hollywood some leeway. No the engines would not blow up if the driver hit 6100 RPM. What Ford found in testing was the engine would live for the full 24 hours if the engines were not spun over 6400 or so. So Mr Ford told the drivers to keep it under 6000. They geared the cars to run at that RPM. We all know race drivers will not worry about RPM if trying to pass another car.... Ken did get screwed but he did it to himself if the story line in the movie is to be believed. Why didn't he just lap the field and Ford could have still went 1 2 3, just Ken would have been a lap ahead. |
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Post by Lesterstrat on Jun 1, 2022 15:22:08 GMT -5
Unless it's a critical moment in the race where the Ford driver can magically push it past to triumphantly win the race. You gotta give hollywood some leeway. No the engines would not blow up if the driver hit 6100 RPM. What Ford found in testing was the engine would live for the full 24 hours if the engines were not spun over 6400 or so. So Mr Ford told the drivers to keep it under 6000. They geared the cars to run at that RPM. We all know race drivers will not worry about RPM if trying to pass another car.... Ken did get screwed but he did it to himself if the story line in the movie is to be believed. Why didn't he just lap the field and Ford could have still went 1 2 3, just Ken would have been a lap ahead. Most all race cars are limited to help prevent blowups. You can hear them hit the chip at times. NASCAR puts different limits on the cars multiple times a year. And, although they’re fuel injected now, they still use restrictor plates at Daytona and Talladega. Why I have no idea. Why not just turn them down through the ECM? This little tidbit made my jaw drop. F1 cars can turn 21k RPMs. That’s nuts! I read they limit them to 15k, however. |
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Post by guildx700 on Jun 1, 2022 22:33:11 GMT -5
Never lost a street race out on highway 100 in Milwaukee with it You were revving it to 7000 for a second, second and a half at a time if even that. The road race cars would hold that RPM for 15 or 20 seconds at a time each lap, lap after lap after lap...... for 24 hours. Sorry your Pontiac wouldn't last under these conditions either. Understood, but....this was not something cobbled together by a fool, it was from a decades seasoned pro racer's car. It had a massive 12 quart deep sump oil pan and massive oil cooler system, this was no cobbled together mess. I ran this car out on the open highway at a verified 155 MPH+ for VERY long extended times. Ok, sure....It may not have been a 24 hour endurance build, but it had the guts to run with pro stuff. Not a toy by any means. A serious engine built by serious pros to go the distance. That crank alone was worth more than many total engine builds, let alone the rods...the spinning assembly alone was no joke to price out. The only reason the engine came up for sale was roller cam was banned so they had to go to mushroom, not available for Pontiac. They went to Chevy. Had 20 of these motors to sell. I was first and got best pick of the 20. Hell, with proper temperature/fuel management that engine would run near 7000 for far longer than anyone would ever imagine a Pontiac to run. The builder was very specific when sourcing the 4 bolt main blocks, seasoned and gone over with X ray began the selection process. OK, I digress, a Poncho V8 would never be king in any configuration, but a serious build by a serious pro was nothing to simply be ignored either. |
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