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Post by langford on Jul 9, 2022 17:31:51 GMT -5
I have a Tele with an action feels a little high starting around the seventh. I've been looking at some YouTube videos on how raise/lower the action on a guitar and thinking it looks like something I could try myself. (I've also been looking videos on how to intonate an instrument.) None of it looks hard, but I've never done anything like this before. My sense is that worst outcome is that I have to take the instrument into the shop for a proper set up. Am I right about that? TIA.
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Post by Leftee on Jul 9, 2022 17:40:50 GMT -5
You can do it!
We can help, as well.
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Post by langford on Jul 9, 2022 18:12:26 GMT -5
In that case, I'll give it a shot. Thanks, Leftee! I truly appreciate the encouragement.
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Post by Pinetree on Jul 11, 2022 9:28:50 GMT -5
If you have a capo, a set of feeler gauges (.012 - twelve thousands of an inch in particular), an Allen wrench for the truss rod, and a rule capable of measuring 64ths.. you're all set.
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Post by langford on Jul 11, 2022 21:01:27 GMT -5
Pinetree.. What are feeler gauges?
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Post by Pinetree on Jul 11, 2022 21:06:09 GMT -5
A feeler gauge is a tool used to measure gap widths... like the gap of a spark plug, or the distance of a string above a fret.
Easily found at your local auto parts store.
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Post by DrKev on Jul 12, 2022 5:12:05 GMT -5
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Post by langford on Jul 12, 2022 11:48:45 GMT -5
Thanks, guys!
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Post by Auf Kiltre on Jul 12, 2022 12:25:28 GMT -5
Nice video Drkev. I recall a previous conversation about capo'ing directly on top of the first fret as opposed to behind it (as one would when using the capo for it's more common purpose). I've been doing it that way ever since as capo'ing the traditional way does seem to lift the string a tiny bit, especially with larger fret wire. I bought this cheap gauge from Amazon for setting action, measure string height when slotting nuts, etc. Its been pretty useful. On the other hand I've found radius gauges pretty useless, lol. a.co/d/2TZwMgN
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Post by Pinetree on Jul 12, 2022 12:30:34 GMT -5
Radius gauges are handy for setting bridge saddles.. even the plastic one that Stew Mac sells is worth having.
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Post by Auf Kiltre on Jul 12, 2022 12:47:35 GMT -5
My attempts at setting bridge saddles with radius gauges almost always results in action higher than I want on the inside strings. Yes, I'm using the correct radius gauges. And yes, it's probably user error.
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Post by Wrnchbndr on Jul 12, 2022 22:41:38 GMT -5
Do you play at or above the 17th fret? I do not. If the guitar plays without complaint in the manner that you play it, don’t fix it if it ain’t broke. Most beginners do not play above the 7th or 8th.
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Post by DrKev on Jul 13, 2022 7:47:40 GMT -5
Nice video Drkev. I recall a previous conversation about capo'ing directly on top of the first fret as opposed to behind it (as one would when using the capo for it's more common purpose). Yes, that is best practice for the most accurate measurement. That said, I didn't include it because I didn't want to add any unnecessary complication to the video, it won't change your measurement by more than a click or two at most, and as long as you do the same thing each time it really doesn't matter. Same goes for choosing which frets to depress and measure at. Just pick 'em and do that all the time and you're good to go.
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Post by langford on Jul 13, 2022 9:43:56 GMT -5
Radius gauges are handy for setting bridge saddles.. even the plastic one that Stew Mac sells is worth having. Hey Pinetree... I've actually been looking at StewMac's setup tool kits. They look useful but kind of pricey CND$176. I checked Amazon and see kits starting at around $30. Obviously, you get what you pay for and I doubt the cheap kits don't as pay much attention to detail or quality of materials as the more expensive ones. But in your experience, what's a good price for a kit and what kind of materials are best? For example, I would think tools made of metal are better than those made of plastic. TIA.
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Post by Pinetree on Jul 13, 2022 10:11:41 GMT -5
I have a plastic set. If I remember correctly, it came with the "Make Your Electric Guitar Play Great" book.
Honestly, it's good enough for me. All I've ever used them for is setting the radius of bridge saddles.
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Post by langford on Jul 13, 2022 14:30:21 GMT -5
Thank, PT!
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Post by Seldom Seen on Jul 14, 2022 10:22:19 GMT -5
Rearming myself after a twenty-year hiatus from playing guitar, I found myself in your shoes. I discovered the old FDP close to its inception and took full advantage of the wealth of knowledge there. Twenty-plus years later, I’ve got feeler gauges, fret files, radius gauges, and more. Moe’s continues the tradition and I continue to learn.
You can do it!
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Post by langford on Jul 15, 2022 11:57:14 GMT -5
Rearming myself after a twenty-year hiatus from playing guitar, I found myself in your shoes. I discovered the old FDP close to its inception and took full advantage of the wealth of knowledge there. Twenty-plus years later, I’ve got feeler gauges, fret files, radius gauges, and more. Moe’s continues the tradition and I continue to learn. You can do it! I've ordered some tools and am ready to get started. Pinetree's post on not sweating the price point was inspirational!
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Post by Auf Kiltre on Jul 15, 2022 13:58:09 GMT -5
At the risk of derailing the thread I'm curious Pinetree at your process with the radius gauges. This is the way I've tried with varying results. After setting relief, I've set preferred string height on the high and low E's. Setting the appropriate radius gauge just in front of the saddles the two strings now act as the end of the arc. Raise/lower the A,D,G,B strings accordingly until they just come in contact with the bottom of the gauge. Is this your process? Somehow I always end up with what feels like too dramatic of a string radius and measuring height of those internal strings at the 12th/17th frets often confirms it.
Not that it really matters as I'm quite comfortable setting action measuring string height the old fashion way. I'm just tired of giving my radius gauges the stink eye.
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Post by Pinetree on Jul 15, 2022 14:23:25 GMT -5
I usually go for 4/64" off the 12th fret on the treble side, and maybe just a hair more on the bass side.. then lay the gauge down across the top of the area where the strings cross the saddles, just to confirm that nothing is too far off (and to double check that the bridge radius matches the neck).
It's especially helpful for example if you swap out the saddles for something like Graph Tech, or a compensated Tele 3-piece arrangement.
I never really thought about them until I ended up getting a set, and while they're not as necessary as a good metal ruler, they are quite handy..
Edit: Sometimes it's just a "feel" thing. The G string on one of my Teles is just a tad higher than it "should" be, because I can get my finger under it a little better.
Also,if someone brings you a guitar that doesn't play well, all it usually takes is a few simple tools (like a decent metal ruler, straight edge, radius gauge, fret rocker, notched straight edge if you really want to get fancy) to determine what's going on.
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Post by langford on Aug 2, 2022 9:03:13 GMT -5
UPDATE: So, after some delays due work deadlines and job-related forced march across the country, I finally took an Allen key the bridge on my Tele and lowered the action. I found it difficult to use the ruler, radius gauges etc., so I eye-balled it. For now.
Here's the good news: Everything seems fine. I'm much closer to the action I'd been hoping for, there are no buzzes, and I didn't break anything. I'm going to head back in and try to get the details right over the next few days. I'll probably take it in to my local shop for a critique and further advice. But so far, so good. Thanks for all the support!
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Post by Pinetree on Aug 2, 2022 9:28:10 GMT -5
Next time you're on YouTube, look for Dave's world of fun stuff.
He's got plenty of setup videos that are easy to follow along.
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Post by Peegoo 🏁 on Aug 2, 2022 15:43:23 GMT -5
Radius gauges are handy for setting bridge saddles.. even the plastic one that Stew Mac sells is worth having. The only time I use a radius gauge is when a client asks me what the radius is on their guitar neck. I set up string height (action) by measuring the gap between the strings and the top of the 12th fret. When the action is adjusted in this manner, the bridge saddles' radius is perfectly set for the frets' radius. If you don't have a .012" thickness gauge to measure neck relief (forward bow, measured at the 8th fret), you can use a short piece of .012" guitar string. Works great. For string action measured at the 12th fret, you can use gauged drills ("bits")--the smooth round end, not the fluted end. When measuring nut action, you want between .018" and .020" between the strings and the top of the 1st fret. If you don't have a .020" thickness gauge, a guitar string works. An even easier way to check is to lightly fret each string at the 3rd fret, making sure the string contacts the 2nd fret. While holding this, look closely at the gap between the string and the 1st fret. There should be about .004" (the thickness of a Post-it note) there.
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Post by langford on Aug 2, 2022 16:07:39 GMT -5
Thanks for the tips, PG. Especially the one about using drill bits to measure string height!
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