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Post by Lefty Rev on Aug 22, 2022 17:22:52 GMT -5
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Post by themaestro on Aug 22, 2022 22:16:31 GMT -5
The biggest issue is keeping that rumbly B-string muted.
Are you playing with a pick or fingers? Here are my hints for fingers. If you usually anchor your picking thumb on a pickup, anchor it on the B-string instead, lifting it to play on the B. This results in 2 things that really helped me. 1) It keeps the b-string muted. 2) It helped me from losing my place and playing the wrong string. With your thumb resting on the B your fingers are positioned to "think" that the lowest string is the E, just like playing a 4-string.
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Post by funkykikuchiyo on Aug 22, 2022 22:45:33 GMT -5
Takes some getting used to, but not too bad. When I first grabbed a 5-string, it felt VERY weird for there to be a "middle" string. I also had to learn to not thumb-wrap as much - you can get away with it to some extent with guitar and 4-string bass, once you go up to 5-string or 6-string you need a different grip. You may find yourself fussing with strap lengths more than you used to, too. It all pays off because the technique improvements will translate to your other instruments.
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Post by HeavyDuty on Aug 23, 2022 8:03:17 GMT -5
I’m almost exclusively a five string player, the advice above is good. I do finger style and anchor my thumb on the B. I started on five to address hand pain, I can play stuff up a position and change my hand and wrist angles. Plus, I don’t have to rely on open strings unless I want to.
My usual advice for a beginning five is a Fender or Squier Jazz or Precision, but to be honest there are so many decent ones out there you have a lot of choice. My main players are a couple of P5s and a few EBMMs.
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Post by bassngtr on Aug 23, 2022 11:58:45 GMT -5
I play a lot, but not a full-time pro, so when I got my first 5-string, string spacing was very important to me. I chose a 5 with very similar string spacing to my 4 strings. I still cannot play a 5 if the strings are too close together. I'd also recommend that when you want to learn a 5, use only the 5 for a while to get used to it. I agree with funkykikuchiyo above - for a long time I just couldn't get used to the A string being in the middle. I love playing both 4s and 5s, but I feel more at home with a 5 now. And I can switch back and forth pretty easily, but that took a while too. Lots of good choices for inexpensive 5 strings. My #1 is a Sire M2 5string. Nicest neck I've ever touched. (about $460 USD).
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Post by Lefty Rev on Aug 23, 2022 23:15:00 GMT -5
Thanks for all the suggestions and pointers so far.
How do I play? Because I'm a guitarist, I tend to use my thumb for the bottom couple of strings, then incorporate my index and middle fingers for the high strings. I've tried anchoring my thumb and using those two fingers, but because I keep my nails a little longer for fingerstyle guitar, I keep hitting the strings with my nail and getting unwanted clicking and tapping... suggestions (other than cutting my nails)? So far I don't use a pick at all.
I looked at a LOT of lefty basses before buying the Schecter Stiletto 5; it had several things I wanted: two pickups, 3-band active eq and a 35" scale length (although I could have lived with 34").
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Post by hushnel on Aug 25, 2022 10:11:58 GMT -5
I picked up a five string 15 years or so ago. from our drummer. It’s a Warmoth parts bass. I still have it. I did use it for a couple of years but I felt I was getting lazy on the fingerboard, and it only adds 4 notes. Then their is the tradition thing, I started with the Concert Bass. I still have the Warmoth if I ever I need it. There are all kinds of bassist out there now using all kinds of strings on the bass. Four get’s it done for me.
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Post by Lefty Rev on Aug 25, 2022 10:24:11 GMT -5
... and it only adding 4 notes ... Good point.Thanks for your (full) comment.
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Post by hushnel on Aug 25, 2022 13:10:35 GMT -5
Your welcome, nearly everything posted on this board is an opinion “o) I have a tendency towards simplicity, in most everything.
I’ve gotten the instrument whittled down to a 20” scale wood fretless neck a cigarbox, 4 polyurethane strings two transducers and 4 tuning machines, one phone plug.
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Post by HeavyDuty on Aug 25, 2022 20:40:24 GMT -5
... and it only adding 4 notes ... Good point.Thanks for your (full) comment. But it’s four damned important notes.
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Post by Rick Knight on Aug 26, 2022 6:15:35 GMT -5
I recently purchased a 5 string and am still at the getting familiar stage. I have noticed that wider neck makes me put my thumb in a more technically correct position than I tend to do on a 4 string.
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Post by Leftee on Aug 26, 2022 6:30:17 GMT -5
My own personal philosophy: I will leave the 5(+) string basses for the real bass players.
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Post by funkykikuchiyo on Aug 26, 2022 9:25:33 GMT -5
Good point.Thanks for your (full) comment. But it’s four damned important notes. I found those notes extra useful when playing in a church group where all of the guitar players used capos and many of the songs were in flat keys. If you're playing a song in Ab on a 4-string, you tend to hover at higher registers more than you may want. I also liked being able to only play fretted notes - if you're trying to control volume, an open note might ring too much, so having that flexibility to play a bit further up the neck was always nice.
I don't play much bass. If I was playing more, I'd definitely have a 5 or 6 string in the arsenal and wouldn't be able to imagine not at least having one handy.
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Post by hushnel on Aug 26, 2022 10:42:54 GMT -5
Well they haven’t earned their place on the staff yet “o) the concert bass only goes down to E. I’m pretty sure someone is messing with that.
Things change, if the function has value it will persevere, I think we can agree that’s the case with the electric bass 5+. In my case I noticed that with the B string most of the patterns were all in the box, I wasn’t having to stretch out to get the scales/modes, I felt that it was too easy and I was not moving around as much on the fingerboard, it’s my laziness, why reach for the note outside the three fret box when it’s right there. It may even be genius.
The impact with me was my bass lines were also getting a bit lazy, I’m aware that all the notes are there for my use but my bass lines were not quite as interesting as they are when not contained to the box, the 4 string makes me think a little more and reach for notes not quite as available.
It’s just me, when I spent that week with Victor Wooten and crew, and all the younger musicians I percieved this opinion of mine is more relevant to me than the younger generations, who didn’t seem quite as affected by it.
Bottom line, I play the four string more creatively than the five. I’ll be 70 in a couple of months, it gets harder to change when you’ve got that kind of time invested in your instrument. That’s 63 years of playing, violin, cello, concert bass, electric bass and guitar.
Music has changed a lot in the last centuries. Chords used to utilize three or four instruments, other than the piano and harp, nearly everything else played a single note, occasionally two notes.
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Post by LTB on Aug 29, 2022 4:52:30 GMT -5
While i mainly Prefer 4 string basses the 5 string comes in handy for some songs as it simplifies certain runs but I rarely go below D and E. I personally do not like the 5 string neck on most Fender basses. Feels clunky and too wide.
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Post by matryx81 on Aug 29, 2022 20:23:59 GMT -5
I personally do not like the 5 string neck on most Fender basses. Feels clunky and too wide. It may be due a 1 7/8" nut width. I find 1 3/4" to be much more comfortable in the hand (EBMM has this as the nut width or something similar, and G&L may use 1.75" as well). For me, finding a comfortable 5-string takes more work than does a comfortable 4 (I have 2 5-strings).
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Post by LTB on Aug 30, 2022 4:55:26 GMT -5
Takes some getting used to, but not too bad. When I first grabbed a 5-string, it felt VERY weird for there to be a "middle" string. I also had to learn to not thumb-wrap as much - you can get away with it to some extent with guitar and 4-string bass, once you go up to 5-string or 6-string you need a different grip. You may find yourself fussing with strap lengths more than you used to, too. It all pays off because the technique improvements will translate to your other instruments. When I play a four or five string bass I lock my thumb on the back of the neck and pivot forward or backward a couple three frets either way.
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Post by hushnel on Aug 30, 2022 12:51:54 GMT -5
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Post by Lefty Rev on Aug 30, 2022 13:40:37 GMT -5
My own personal philosophy: I will leave the 5(+) string basses for the real bass players. 😂 But what if I wanna be a "real bass player" when I grow up (I'm 64...)?
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Post by Lefty Rev on Aug 30, 2022 13:48:20 GMT -5
The transverse thumb rail... The hand is working fine I lost a little motion in flexing but the rotation is fine. I’ve had a lot of practicing healing broken bones, I guess I’m pretty good at it, though I’ve retired from risky adventures, Mostly. Ouch! Man, that first picture was gross! Reminds me of when my dad had surgery on his neck, and was in a "halo brace" for a couple months. Nice "re-purposing" of those "bits"!
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Post by Leftee on Aug 30, 2022 14:01:40 GMT -5
My own personal philosophy: I will leave the 5(+) string basses for the real bass players. 😂 But what if I wanna be a "real bass player" when I grow up (I'm 64...)? Then go for it!!!
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Post by hushnel on Aug 30, 2022 14:33:50 GMT -5
Nice "re-purposing" of those "bits"! Yeah it’s a little macabre, the Doc was unscrewing the posts out of my arm and had as we where talking BS, I asked him if They autoclave these parts and reuse them. He said naw we toss them. I said wrap them up, I got a use for them. He had the nurse clean them and wrap them up. He asked what I’d use them for, with out even thing about it I told him a transverse thumb rest on my five string bass. He just kind of shook his head, he still believed my playing days were done. I was about 3 or 4 months later I sent him a youtube link of me sitting in with Albert Castiglia at the Highdive in Gainesville. I sent him an email with this attachment of me playing bass.
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Post by funkykikuchiyo on Aug 31, 2022 10:07:49 GMT -5
Takes some getting used to, but not too bad. When I first grabbed a 5-string, it felt VERY weird for there to be a "middle" string. I also had to learn to not thumb-wrap as much - you can get away with it to some extent with guitar and 4-string bass, once you go up to 5-string or 6-string you need a different grip. You may find yourself fussing with strap lengths more than you used to, too. It all pays off because the technique improvements will translate to your other instruments. When I play a four or five string bass I lock my thumb on the back of the neck and pivot forward or backward a couple three frets either way. Yeah, I do the same but I had to deliberately teach myself to do that. It might be a problem unique to people who started on guitar and then switched to bass. When I got my first five string bass I was used to thumb wrapping and could get away with it with the 4-string I had before, and trying to get good pressure as well as good reach without thumb placement, I remember doing something a few times that made my wrists so sore I couldn't play for a week each time. I eventually figured it out. I got more fine tuned when I got a 6-string bass and later when I tried taking classical guitar more seriously. The classical guitar instructions are the only ones who actually bother to explain how to grip a neck - amazingly, it gets skipped in the other guitar and bass teaching worlds.
Once YouTube hit and I could see people with MUCH smaller hands play giant necks, it became obvious that if someone says their hands are too small, they probably just have bad technique.
I had a friend text me a few days ago on the same topic. I sent this video to make the point her hands were definitely not too small:
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Post by mroulier on Aug 31, 2022 10:27:44 GMT -5
"Four important notes"?? Not to sound pedantic, but aren't there "5" extra notes when you add a B string? B, C, C#, D, D#?
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Post by HeavyDuty on Sept 1, 2022 8:12:25 GMT -5
"Four important notes"?? Not to sound pedantic, but aren't there "5" extra notes when you add a B string? B, C, C#, D, D#? Good point - I was quoting without thinking it through. I rely on the low D and B.
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Post by hushnel on Sept 1, 2022 12:09:20 GMT -5
No, that was my fault, I only counted the frets. “Were up to 5 can I get a 6 “o)
My initial musical education was in a classical setting, the High-school Orchestra in the Duval County, Jacksonville Florida, Public School, System. My thumb usually rests dead center on the back of the neck. It gives my fretting fingers a much more perpendicular position on the strings. From ukulele to the bass.
Not being in a band currently, I’m mostly playing the classical guitar. Due to partial paralysis of my right arm traditional strumming is difficult so I use a finger picking style. When I do strum it’s more of a Flamenco style.
A really good example is the Buena Vista Social Club’s Chan Chan. I selected this tune because it was a challenge and out of my league. It took a while but I pretty much have it nailed down now. The power of a single tune can move our skills positively. Though I’ve got that tune pretty much nailed, I couldn’t tell you what the chords are. I’m pretty lame, another tune I did this with was Jimmi Hendrix Little Wing, I love the way that song starts “o)
it all would have been so much easier if I could of learned to read music, something about dyslexia creates some challenges for me. Took a while just to learn how to read the printed word, but sheet music with the lines, dots squiggly things, notes, various indicators and positions was just too much to process. The crazy thing is it’s not associated with intelligence.
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