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Post by Auf Kiltre on Oct 5, 2022 15:38:34 GMT -5
I'm getting around to repairing an old Allparts neck that had a screw break off. Following some instructions from our master Peegoo, I bought a 1/4" extractor and some hardwood dowels. I extracted the broken screw but the 1/4" dowel fits pretty easy.
Will Original Titebond effectively fill the gaps? Seems a really tight fit may minimize the amount of glue that can be used, no? Or should I drill out to a larger size and use a bigger dowel?
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sirWheat
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Post by sirWheat on Oct 5, 2022 18:12:29 GMT -5
If it's really loose you may wanna use epoxy but titebond will probably be ok. I would probably re-drill and use a bigger plug (I'm a cabinet maker and, consequently, anal). For me though, dowels are not the right thing to use as end grain ain't so great for holding screws. Again, it'll probably be fine but I use plug cutters for this kind of thing.
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Post by Auf Kiltre on Oct 5, 2022 18:21:48 GMT -5
Thanks SW, yeah I recall you mentioning using a plug instead of a dowel. Since this is for personal use I'm not overly concerned of failure. If it was more than one plug job then maybe I'd give it more of an effort. I'm also curious what you guys think of hide glue vs titebond original since I have both.
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Post by funkykikuchiyo on Oct 5, 2022 18:58:43 GMT -5
If it wiggles back and forth, or if you flip it over it falls out, I'd call that too loose and too much gap. Ideally it should require some pressure to get in, but if you're getting your biggest hammer, that is excessive.
Tolerances on dowels are kinda loose, you might have some that are undersized. I'd check that before drilling out to 5/16" or something, though it isn't that big of a deal.
I'd just use the Titebond Original. It is stronger than hide glue (hot or liquid) according to pretty much every test in the woodworking world ever done, though some in the guitar world seem convinced it is tougher than epoxy. This doesn't need to be reversible, it doesn't need to match cosmetically to some other hide glue joints, you don't need long work times (I'm assuming you have liquid hide glue)... no compelling reason to use the hide glue. No one wants to think Titebond Original is good because it is cheap and readily available... even pharmacies sell it. But, it is pretty darn good.
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Post by Larry Madsen on Oct 5, 2022 22:53:49 GMT -5
Not knowing what pieces of scrap wood you might have sitting around ….
I could not begin to guess how many times I have created my own custom size dowels to fill holes in wood.
Chunk of wood, pocket knife, maybe even a power drill and sand paper if you want to get fancy with it. 😜
Pretty easy to quickly create a dowel of just about any size needed … assuming you have a suitable piece of wood.
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Post by Peegoo 🏁 on Oct 6, 2022 11:09:59 GMT -5
Glue joints in wood should be neither too loose or too tight.
A loose joint is not very strong because it relies on shear strength of the glue alone, and a tight joint can be starved of glue, making it prone to failure as well. Titebond II is a good glue to use because it does have gap-filling qualities. If the plug falls out with gravity as described by FunkyK above, the fit is probably too loose.
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