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Post by pcalu on Jan 20, 2023 21:29:27 GMT -5
Example:
Eminence... from years of using... IMO to my ears doesn't matter the speaker, or classification (i.e American or British) they all have what I call "Mulberry Pike Smoke" to some degree.
Best way I can describe my term "Mulberry Pike Smoke" It's like a foundational (i.e. in the center of the mids ) a low fi roll off the definition. Almost like what you would get listening to a guy/gal play in a smoked filled bar.... hence my term "Mulberry Pike Smoke" hope this makes sense.... Obviously I like Eminence a lot, I have in different amps... RW&Bs, CREX, Texas Heat's, Private Jack's, Proprietary Blue Legend 1258s, and Brown label Fender 1258 and now GB128s I hear that "Mulberry Pike Smoke" in all of those speaker models in some degree. I'm assuming (i.e. guessing) that it's got something to do with the drivers they use. (Magnets, Frame, voice coil etc)
Don't use Celestion, but I've heard Celestion guys say the same thing.
(That there is a celestion style)
What do you guys think?
thoughts? if so, do you think its intentional? Sort of "this is our brand style"
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Post by Vibroluxer on Jan 20, 2023 21:38:38 GMT -5
Good question.
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Post by DrKev on Jan 21, 2023 5:45:46 GMT -5
It's an interesting question but I'm not sure it's a useful question. Each manufacturer within their own product lines makes speakers that are so different from one another that it'd be impossible blindfolded to consistently identify who made what. For that same reason, comparing alnico vs ceramic, 10" vs 12", just isn't useful. Each speaker is a unique design and sound that just has to be judged on its own merits with each combination of player/guitar/amp.
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Post by funkykikuchiyo on Jan 21, 2023 12:59:43 GMT -5
I'm not well versed enough in speakers to say, but I do hear it in pickups. There is the fact that the designers all are going to have similar tastes and might be testing products through similar rigs, maybe even with similar playing styles. There are also variables that might not get much alteration from piece to piece. I'm not sure that SD or others are dramatically changing their M.O. for wire tensioning from one pickup to another, for example; maybe a couple fine adjustments here and there, but probably not totally reinventing the wheel either.
It is plausible to me that a speaker manufacturer might have some parallels, though it might be a bit looser. Speaker brands have gone through various phases of ownership and most are a blend of vintage recreation from something that might as well be a different brand and new stuff dreamed up by entirely different people.
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Post by reverendrob on Jan 21, 2023 18:35:42 GMT -5
Keep in mind there are individual speakers with any company's line that will not fit their "profile" so to speak - like the dirt cheap Celestion-branded speakers in modelling amps aren't ....anything more than a name attached more often than not. They're cheap and sound like it in those instances, basically.
That said, I look at it more in terms of what it's suited "best" for - Celestions are "do you like speaker distortion"? They're sort of anemic clean versus of the Jensens and JBLs and most Emis, which are more towards the 'rich and full/hi-fi' thing.
I know which ones make me sound more like me, and that's the JBLs or old-school Emis - I don't particularly like speaker distortion, and think Marshalls by and large are the only plcae where a Celestion doesn't sound out of place.
It's also a case of "particular amps are designed around Speaker X" - so the amp itself is tuned to the speaker.
As far as swaps, I've never dealt with that insane rabbit hole because if I don't like the sound of the amp as is, I don't buy it.
And on the rare occasion I've toasted a speaker, I...replace it...with what was in it.
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Post by DrKev on Jan 22, 2023 5:29:27 GMT -5
As far as swaps, I've never dealt with that insane rabbit hole because if I don't like the sound of the amp as is, I don't buy it. And on the rare occasion I've toasted a speaker, I...replace it...with what was in it. Maybe, YMMV. Example... My Mesa Express combo is voiced kinda bass heavy, came with a made-for-Mesa Celestion Vintage 30, which didn't hugely please me; too much bass for driven tones, too much 1k-mids, not quite enough sparkle for cleans. Replaced it with a V-Type (notably used by Fender, Suhr, and Marshall for some amps), which had a great crunch, but still hard to dial out the bass or add clean sparkle. Moved to a Greenback. Holy Moly, that'll do nicely!  So yes, perhaps an amp is voiced around the speaker, and perhaps the speaker was chosen later, but we the players are *not* the designers. Anyone can very easily prefer a different combination of speaker and amp. It's just a matter of trying. The only downside is that it takes time to research, buy, install, try them, buy again, and sell unused ones etc. but it's worth it. Nice end to my story is that those made-for-Mesa Celestions have a magic tone myth about them amongst certain Mesa owners. I made a quick sale at more than the price of a new current production speaker. I bought both the V-type and Greenback used, resale value not high on those but they sell quick too. Not only do I have a combo I love, I made some money getting there!  |
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