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Post by Auf Kiltre on Feb 12, 2023 10:04:56 GMT -5
I bought a set of Kluson Revolution locking tuners KEDPL-3801n a couple of years back and put them on my 50's Trib Goldtop LP. I like em, super easy to restring. But yesterday while restringing the high e tuner wouldn't do its thing while tightening the rear wheel. You see no action through the string hole, it just functions as a non-locking tuner. Tried tapping, removing, cussing....nada. The rear button doesn't fully unscrew for removal, it opens fully but stays affixed, so I'm not sure if maybe the tip of the locking pin snapped off.
Gahh, I've had a bad stretch of luck with tuners lately. A couple low E Ping tuners have also crapped out on me.
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Post by Peegoo 🏁 on Feb 12, 2023 13:08:40 GMT -5
Hmmm Are you overtightening the locks? Most players do.
Very little force is required, and I always think, "how tight would my grandma crank this down to?"
That mentality helps keep me from really reefing on it.
Remove the tuner from the guitar and break it down to inspect the parts. All of these can be taken apart.
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Post by Auf Kiltre on Feb 12, 2023 13:22:49 GMT -5
Not having a reference point its possible I am/did over tighten the thumb wheel. There just doesn't seem to be any mechanism in play anymore in that specific tuner. When I removed it and tried removing the thumb wheel it loosens but doesn't extract, just continues to spin. I can see a small nut behind it but have no access to it until I can figure out how to remove the wheel and pin. Weird.
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Post by sirWheat on Feb 12, 2023 18:59:15 GMT -5
Having no experience with any locking tuners...
Looking at photos of the Klusons is it the case that the post threads in from the top such that it's possible to be too loose for the interior pin to make good contact with the string?
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Post by Auf Kiltre on Feb 12, 2023 20:55:56 GMT -5
Having no experience with any locking tuners... Looking at photos of the Klusons is it the case that the post threads in from the top such that it's possible to be too loose for the interior pin to make good contact with the string? I don't believe that is the case. I took it apart again as far as I could, still no way of releasing the locking button that I can see. But I'm pretty confident what happened is there is supposed to be some anvil type piece seated on top of the pin that advanced upward when locked. I'm guessing it came loose/broke off and popped out when extracting the string. |
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Post by Peegoo 🏁 on Feb 12, 2023 23:38:18 GMT -5
I am fairly certain Klusons have a lifetime warranty. The brand is owned by WD Music Products now. Click Here www.kluson.com/contact.html and send them a nice message stating you love their stuff but one of the tuners is failing to lock the string. Be specific on the problem, when you bought them, the model, and finish/color of the tuner. Make it really easy for them to pop one in the mail to you. WD is a good company. Keep us posted! |
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Post by Auf Kiltre on Feb 13, 2023 0:12:53 GMT -5
I am fairly certain Klusons have a lifetime warranty. The brand is owned by WD Music Products now. Click Here www.kluson.com/contact.html and send them a nice message stating you love their stuff but one of the tuners is failing to lock the string. Be specific on the problem, when you bought them, the model, and finish/color of the tuner. Make it really easy for them to pop one in the mail to you. WD is a good company. Keep us posted! Thanks Peegoo, I actually emailed them last night. Will post what I hear back. |
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Post by funkykikuchiyo on Feb 13, 2023 10:17:36 GMT -5
When it tightens, does the wheel look like it is down as far as it normally should? Sometimes the pin sort of jams in there, and the wheel tightens against the pin without it moving up into the hole area. They can be kinda stubborn.
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Post by Auf Kiltre on Feb 13, 2023 10:48:33 GMT -5
When it tightens, does the wheel look like it is down as far as it normally should? Sometimes the pin sort of jams in there, and the wheel tightens against the pin without it moving up into the hole area. They can be kinda stubborn. Yep, no indication that the wheel isn't fully engaging. I thought maybe the base of the pin is somehow slipped/threaded too far into the wheel and not allowing the top to rise far enough to engage when tightened. I put some tape on my hemostats and tried holding the pin while turning the wheel to see if it screws in there. No joy. |
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Post by Auf Kiltre on Feb 13, 2023 10:54:02 GMT -5
I'm still perplexed as to why I can't remove the wheel and pin. Once fully loosened the wheel just spins and doesn't extract. Clearly there is a nut behind it but no way to get at it as long as the wheel is in place. 🤷♂️  |
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Post by funkykikuchiyo on Feb 13, 2023 11:04:04 GMT -5
I don't know why it doesn't come out all the way, but with other kinds of locking tuners people frequently lose the pins because they take the wheels all the way out and the pins hit the floor. It is probably intentional.
If something is stuck/misaligned/whatever, it might jar free on you, but it can be easier with the tuner off the guitar, since you can lightly tap it on a bench, and stuff like that.
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Post by Auf Kiltre on Feb 13, 2023 11:19:21 GMT -5
Yep, I've had the tuner off a couple of times, disassembled as far as I could, shook, tapped, cursed and generally stared at it like a chimp pondering a rubik's cube. At this point I'm good letting it function as a regular tuner and waiting for a reply from Kluson/WD.
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Post by Cal-Woody on Feb 15, 2023 14:30:18 GMT -5
I'm almost certain that the label or metal cap on the tuning thumb wheel has some sort of screw that secures the thumb wheel to the tuner shaft. If you can either remove it or make a hole in it, you should be able to remove the thumb wheel and then have access to the nut underneath it and see if the pin is damaged or maybe on an angle that won't allow it to fully extend to the hole to lock the string.
Best Regards, Woody
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Post by Auf Kiltre on Feb 16, 2023 9:06:24 GMT -5
Its possible that there is an entry point from the back by removing the circular "Kluson" tag. If there is I don't see how I could do it without mutilating it. I tried gently finding an edge with an Xacto knife and had no luck. I removed other strings to confirm that all function the same way; the lock button loosens but does not extract. When tightening the good ones you can see a chrome plated piece lift through the string hole. No such piece in the malfunctioning one.
I recall that when I first discovered this I was unstringing/restringing the guitar multiple times after tinkering with the pickups. The high e broke off at the peg leaving a few wraps of string around the post. I grabbed my hemos and yanked it out. I bet something went wrong at that point and I suspect that chrome piece is no longer in there.
I rather this tuner function as a normal non-locking one than take it out to the driveway, sit down and beat it with a rock, lol.
No response (yet) from Kluson/WD 😐
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Post by Cal-Woody on Feb 16, 2023 11:41:34 GMT -5
Yeah, it's probably a pressed in metal cap and the only way to access the locking screw underneath is to mutilate the cover. But if it functions as it should (standard tuner) and performs well, then either replace or leave it alone. Wish I had a better answer for you or had an extra one laying around, but all the ones I have are from a different brands and have nothing to offer other than ideas.
I hope Kluson gets back to you soon, best regards, Woody
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Post by Auf Kiltre on Feb 16, 2023 11:53:47 GMT -5
Thanks CW. Its really no big deal. I do like the tuners primarily for the ease of changing strings. I see no singles available anywhere. If I get nothing back from Kluson I may eventually just put the original tuners back on.
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