DrKev
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It's just a guitar, it's not rocket science.
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Post by DrKev on Mar 2, 2023 4:45:31 GMT -5
Grab a pen and paper and watch this video. Ten guitars and try to identify. I suggest you simply try to identify HUMBUCKER or SINGLE COIL. Doing that you have a 50/50 of chance of getting anything right without even without listening, so 5 out of ten is a baseline score and I'd call anything 6/10 and below a fail.
I'd scored 6/10. That's a fail. Doesn't particularly surprise me. What's your score! (I'll reveal my biggest shock wrong results after a few of you have already tried so as not to introduce any clues/spoilers).
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Post by orrk01 on Mar 2, 2023 9:15:20 GMT -5
7 out of 10. Barely a passing grade.
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Post by Jim D. on Mar 2, 2023 9:51:09 GMT -5
I found that very interesting and failed miserably. Once I could see which guitars he played it seemed as if I could discern the pickup type but that had to be because the visual image of a given guitar caused expectations. I use a luthier shop owned by two guys who both play. One is a phenomenal guitarist. His electric go to guitar is a vintage Tele. I had my Am Tele in for a minor checkup and relief tweak. Using his vintage Deluxe Reverb to check out the results, Jon tore into some Danny Gatton/Johnny Hiland riffs and just lit my guitar up. It sounded great. I asked him for a critique. He was complimentary, felt the neck was superb, that I had a very good example, but that it lacked some of the soul of his which involved many years of searching. He got his out, and no question, on the same amp settings you could hear the wood and the notes just bloomed. The bridge only pickup was incredible. He winds his own pickups, but stated both guitars had essentially the same vintage style Fender specs. He talked a bit about the shredders hanging around places like GC and how with distortion, guitars lose their potential projected resonance and start to sound the same. To demonstrate he played both Teles through a distortion pedal, same settings. They both sustained well, but the nuances were completely removed. They sounded virtually the same. It was the great equalizer if you like that sound, but neither of us do. Jon just happens to be one of those players who can grab any of my guitars, plug into any decent tube amp with no effects and produce more tones with just pickup selection and guitar volume/tone settings than I could produce in a lifetime of trying. This is to say, the video, as interesting as it is, is really more about the distortion pedal being the vehicle that removes the individual guitar's inherent qualities. I would love to have him run the same comparison with a tube amp set up to have just a bit of hair on the tone depending on how far he digs in to a given note, but not much.
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Post by Peegoo 🏁 on Mar 2, 2023 13:04:24 GMT -5
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Post by zenland on Mar 2, 2023 18:56:50 GMT -5
Bottom line is you can play any kind of music on any guitar, and you can shape the tone of most any electric guitar very easily and cheaply. It all comes down to what the individual prefers. That's where I'm at and have been! LOL-At least I hope so.....
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Post by Leftee on Mar 2, 2023 19:06:54 GMT -5
I was out when I saw that 2 of the guitars were SSS Strats.
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Post by Auf Kiltre on Mar 2, 2023 19:35:43 GMT -5
I kinda lost interest in the process when a few of the guitars were unknown to me, plus the multiple Strats. I did pick out a Strat and the ES3xx, surprisingly whiffed on the Tele. It'd be more interesting to me without the stomp box which really homogenized all the sounds with the exception of the one he points out at the end.
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Post by Peegoo 🏁 on Mar 2, 2023 20:47:01 GMT -5
I was out when I saw that 2 of the guitars were SSS Strats. I was done as soon as I saw the guy had salt lamp. About three seconds in.
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Post by reverendrob on Mar 3, 2023 17:15:55 GMT -5
He's using enough gain and the pedal EQ section could make any of the guitars sound like that honestly.
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Post by Leftee on Mar 3, 2023 19:24:02 GMT -5
I bought a pepper lamp on Amazon. Turns out we were all allergic to it.
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DrKev
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It's just a guitar, it's not rocket science.
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Post by DrKev on Mar 4, 2023 7:20:56 GMT -5
He's using enough gain and the pedal EQ section could make any of the guitars sound like that honestly. That's the point to take away here. When we ask questions like "does tonewood matter?" or "can only a Les Paul sound like a Les Paul" we really should be asking *when*, i.e. under what conditions? As distortion increases the less important pickups and tonewoods are and the more important pedal and amp EQ and speaker become. It's not controversial. We've all had moments with enough gain our pickup selections can be difficult to distinguish (other than bridge vs something else) and we have to look down to remember what position our selector switch is on. Right? Tones we think are obviously different can get lost. And in this video we are only hearing bridge pickups which makes it more difficult for us. We'd have practically hard square wave a guitar tone for a neck humbucker and bridge single coil to become difficult to tell apart. Of course to us as the player, all our senses are involved, because guitars are physical, visceral objects. We can never separate the hunks of wood in our hands from the sounds we craft and experience. Nor should we. But put an instrument in someone else's hands and close our eyes? Sometimes all bets are genuinely off. And that's OK. There is no existential crisis here.
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Post by Auf Kiltre on Mar 4, 2023 7:55:04 GMT -5
"But put an instrument in someone else's hands and close our eyes? Sometimes all bets are genuinely off."
At the risk of being repetitiously redundant, the lesson I learned and should have retained was in 1994. Had a gig where my band warmed up Huey Lewis and the News. They were in their a capella phase but finished their show with an electric set using our gear. I was already in tone quest mode and playing a 79 Strat through a Marshall combo, and not particularly happy with the setup. I also had a Epi Sheraton with some small combo as backup that, I think, their horn player also used.
They sounded just like Huey Lewis and the News with no perceived shortcomings in the tone department.
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Post by LeftyMeister on Mar 4, 2023 8:55:17 GMT -5
8-10. The amusing part to me was when he introduced the guitars, he would do a Spock eyebrow raise at the end of each introduction. lol!
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Post by ninworks on Mar 4, 2023 9:34:32 GMT -5
I crashed and burned but I expected that. 4 out of 10. To me, it's not necessarily as much about the sound as it is the tactile feel, the sensitivity of the electronics, and how they push the amp while I'm playing it. The sound is definitely a part of it though. As others have stated, the cleaner the sound the more pronounced the sonic differences are.
A neck on a Tele doesn't fell like the neck on a Les Paul, which doesn't feel like the neck on a __________, etc. etc. Scale length and/or string gauge are also a major factor in the feel of the guitar as is where the bridge is located on the body, the body off-set and contours, where the strap connects, fret width and height, cutaway or not, body thickness, string height off the body, pickguard location/height, neck contour-thickness and width, fingerboard radius and wood selection. 3 humbuckers on an SG or Les Paul seriously inhibit how far your pick or fingers can go beneath the strings when picking but 3 pickups on a Strat do not seem to have that issue. Bridge height on a ES175 or Country Gentleman feel a lot different than one on an SG, Tele, or Strat.
Or course, it has to be purdee when I look at it. My only exception to that is a Tele. I have great respect for them but think they are butt-ugly. There's no denying the sound and playability are excellent. As such, every guitar player should have one. I don't like the look of the pointy-battle-axe guitars either. There's a whole list of them including Charvels, Firebirds, Flying V's, etc.
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Post by Larry Madsen on Mar 4, 2023 11:19:10 GMT -5
I was out when I saw that 2 of the guitars were SSS Strats. I was done as soon as I saw the guy had salt lamp. About three seconds in. Hey there now, enough of that! We have salt lamps all around our house. They make really nice night lights, plus they look pretty (Queenie likes that) And then of course there are the health and air cleansing qualities as a side benefit. 😜
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Post by Leftee on Mar 4, 2023 13:37:25 GMT -5
8-10. The amusing part to me was when he introduced the guitars, he would do a Spock eyebrow raise at the end of each introduction. lol! That's an involuntary twitch brought on by too much salt lamp.
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Post by samspade on Mar 9, 2023 18:37:23 GMT -5
8/10 but got #2 wrong which surprised me
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Post by pcalu on Mar 9, 2023 20:52:27 GMT -5
9 out of 10...
That said... I'm a Tele man and that is the one I got wrong!
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Post by LeftyMeister on Mar 10, 2023 11:37:34 GMT -5
I also got the Tele wrong.
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