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Post by Auf Kiltre on Mar 6, 2023 16:32:21 GMT -5
When I was gigging/playing in a band I almost always had a delay pedal. I'd futz with the delay time and repeats a little, such as a slap back when appropriate, or a long delay when leaning into a Gilmour type lead. But it was always on the fly and inexact. Never had a tap tempo unit.
Once I got into recording where tempo could be synced to the track bpm I realized how much more effective delay was. Its just a cleaner outcome.
So where do you land on delay? Set it/forget it, twist the knobs to the sweet spot, employ tap tempo units, multiple delay units or just use it selectively enough to where one size fits all?
If I ever started gigging again I don't think my Carbon Copy would cut it.
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Post by Pinetree on Mar 6, 2023 18:08:33 GMT -5
I never liked the CC although I still have it.
The TC Flashback meets my needs mostly because of the stereo outputs.. plus the Tone print feature. Let someone else do all the work and just download the preset.
Currently I'm using a stereo pingpong effect.. it's fairly unobtrusive but occasionally it gets in my way.
It's always on.
To answer your question, I don't pay a lot of attention to it.
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Post by Auf Kiltre on Mar 6, 2023 18:17:50 GMT -5
Yeah, I like the Tone Print app on my mini HoF reverb...when I can get it to work.
My wife: "What are you doing in there?!?!?"
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Post by cedarchoper58 on Mar 6, 2023 18:20:02 GMT -5
i use a ep3 echoplex. once i have it set i turn it on and off with its foot switch
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Post by Vibroluxer on Mar 6, 2023 18:28:26 GMT -5
I have a Maxon AD999 and it really depends upon my mood. Some days I like to goof around with my pedals, other times I just wanna play. Maybe a pedal or two. So, I guess all in all, I turn the knobs.
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Post by Auf Kiltre on Mar 6, 2023 18:28:35 GMT -5
I had a Keeley modded AD9 and hated it. It had a volume drop and just sounded dirty to me. I like the CC much better but it is limited. I also think the "mod" feature is pretty cheesy and have tweaked the internal pot to make modulation almost unnoticeable.
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Post by Lesterstrat on Mar 6, 2023 20:21:57 GMT -5
It wasn’t unusual for me to have as many as 4 delays on my board when I was gigging. I always had at least two: a Danecho and a Bods DD-3. Each was set to do their thing and I had tape over the knobs to keep them as I set them.
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Post by markfromhawaii on Mar 6, 2023 22:31:46 GMT -5
I have a Flashback 2 on my board and never really loved it because it lacked a tap tempo setting. Just found out there’s a firmware upgrade for that.
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Post by reverendrob on Mar 7, 2023 4:15:23 GMT -5
The thing with the CC (and why I didn't get one) was the delay time was just too bloody short.
I need at LEAST Space Echo length.
Typically, I have a few settings that make me happy - on the things with presets, they're installed.
On the analog and actual tape, I twist the knobs as needed.
I *rarely* use tap tempo, honestly.
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Post by ninworks on Mar 7, 2023 5:17:42 GMT -5
Back in the day I used an Echoplex because it was either that or a Space Echo. That's all there was. I liked the Echoplex because it had longer delay time capability than the Space Echo. In a live situation it was set it and forget it usually. A delay time around 325ms was pretty standard and would fit with most songs for a little added dimension. When analog delay pedals started hitting the market they sounded terrible so I kept using the Echoplex. Years later when rack mounted digital delays were available I stopped using the Echoplex because of the maintenance issues. Playing in smokey bars and clubs gunked up the tape heads very quickly and required cleaning at least once every night. I would replace the tape every couple months. Digital delays were a God-send. Longer delay times and no more maintenance. Later I got a lexicon PCM70 effects unit in my rack and presets were my friend. I didn't need a tap tempo button. I never really used digital delays on my pedalboard. By the time they came about I already had the PCM70 so there was no need. It has 6 delays with a 1 sec. delay length as well as chorus and a killer reverb. I pretty much stopped using pedals altogether. I had a rack with a compressor, effects unit, wireless system, digital flanger, tuner, and 31 band EQ. The only things left on my pedalboard were an effects switch for on and off, a volume pedal, and a MXR Dyna Comp I used as a clean boost. Later on I went to using modelers for my effects unit and they had every effect imaginable built into them so that's all I took for a pedalboard.
I have never been a fan of using reverb as an amp effect when playing live. It always made the guitar sound washed out. Delay works much better for depth.
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Post by DrKev on Mar 7, 2023 7:22:56 GMT -5
For years I gigged my little blue plastic Danelectro PB&J, happily setting it to approx 450ms and leaving it there. Then I upgraded to the first edition TC Flashback with the "audio tap" where you strum the tempo while holding down the button. I found it was not useful on stage but I saw the advantages of tap tempo and my days of "one setting and go" were firmly over. After a couple of years both my Flashback and HoF started malfunctioning, the TonePrint app became a bug-infested disaster, and customer service went from great to atrocious. Not being able to trust the features I bought the darn pedals for I replaced all my TC Electronic pedals, barr the PolyTune.
Next purchase was an Alexander Effects History lesson v3, a nice sounding delay pedal with a ton of features and REAL tap tempo! BUT the delay time wasn't particularly accurate to what you tapped. Turned out it was a consequence of how they implemented the tap tempo and other functions using the same foot switch (tap for tempo vs long tap for time division selections). I worked with their engineers for a few weeks testing firmware upgrades but nothing really helped much before they stopped responding and after a year I moved it on.
But there was no question now that delay time had now become part of my brain process! Everything I play, if I want delay, my brain decides on the tempo it wants, i.e. I hear my parts in my head with the tempo I want. I can tap or dial it in almost equally fast but tap is more convenient and accurate.
Now I have Strymon El Capistan V1 and I LOVE it. Oddly, the first thing I did with it was sit down for a few hours and figure out how to make it sound as close as possible to my old PB&J (which still works, it's just missing a knob). I have zero desire to change the El Cap for anything else. I've found what I always needed and my days down the delay rabbit hole are over.
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Post by LeftyMeister on Mar 7, 2023 8:07:34 GMT -5
I have two delays, a CC Deluxe that's set to dotted 8th note slapback, and a Wampler Tape Echo that's set to 3-4 quarter note delays. Both are tap tempo. The only time I've touched the settings was when someone else at church used my board.
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Post by cedarchoper58 on Mar 7, 2023 11:12:53 GMT -5
besides the echoplex i have a old Boss digital delay i rarley use. Its a battery sucker and sounds good but nothing like the anlog of my EP3 echoplex
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Post by markfromhawaii on Mar 7, 2023 11:52:37 GMT -5
I have an El Cap V1 too and love it. Except for its power requirements (250 mA). The FB 2 stays on my main board because of its small form factor and lower power usage (100 mA).
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Post by Auf Kiltre on Mar 7, 2023 12:26:38 GMT -5
I have an El Cap V1 too and love it. Except for its power requirements (250 mA). The FB 2 stays on my main board because of its small form factor and lower power usage (100 mA). I've only owned one Strymon pedal, a Flint and it was fantastic. Stupid mistake letting it go. I can't remember if it played nice with my VL ISO-5 power supply or if I used the dedicated one.
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Post by argo on Mar 9, 2023 9:24:56 GMT -5
I'm still gigging and have 2 small delay pedals also. I'm a fidgeter and hate bending over to do that on stage.
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Post by snakeboy on Mar 9, 2023 18:08:52 GMT -5
I LOVE delay.
I've had a Wampler Faux Tape Echo for years, and while I still like and use it a bit, the Boss DM-2W has become my favorite by far. So simple.....so awesome sounding.
Sometimes I think about gluing it to my amp.
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Post by Auf Kiltre on Mar 9, 2023 18:19:44 GMT -5
The problem I've had with analog delay was a volume drop when engaged. The happiest I've been with any delay was when I had an amp with an effects loop, but that goes back a long time. Really any effect I like at the front end has been dirt and compression. I've often time based effects get unruly when pushed by overdrive/distortion pedals.
I recently added an MXR Micro Chorus to my pedalboard after swearing chorus off for years. Its cool but limited, but man does it bump the signal chain volume up. It would be a problem if I was still gigging.
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Post by Lesterstrat on Mar 10, 2023 16:43:08 GMT -5
The problem I've had with analog delay was a volume drop when engaged. The happiest I've been with any delay was when I had an amp with an effects loop, but that goes back a long time. Really any effect I like at the front end has been dirt and compression. I've often time based effects get unruly when pushed by overdrive/distortion pedals. I recently added an MXR Micro Chorus to my pedalboard after swearing chorus off for years. Its cool but limited, but man does it bump the signal chain volume up. It would be a problem if I was still gigging. The reason I had a Danecho to go along with my DD-3s was it had a decent analogue sound about it. Would anyone mistake it for the old tape delays? Absolutely not, but it served my purposes. I all but quit music when I quit gigging 11 years ago so I don't keep up with the stuff, but I bet there are some really cool delays around now days. Then again, I ran DD-3s forever it seems. Tried a DD-5 once and hated it. Took it back and got another DD-3. lol
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Post by reverendrob on Mar 12, 2023 2:32:20 GMT -5
The current generation (and even the last one) is keeping up with the tape delays.
I have a real Space Echo and the RE-20 (last gen) and it was 98%+ there, the new 202 is 99.5% and adds things the original didn't have if you want.
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Post by budg on Mar 14, 2023 6:21:09 GMT -5
I like delay when playing clean to add texture and sometimes use it when doing solos. I still use my old Digidelay. It has some pretty good settings like tape delay and modern delay with chorus . I usually tweak it occasionally and will sometimes use tap tempo. Thought about the Flashback 2 with the toneprint , but honestly I’m happy with it in live settings . Doesn’t have dotted eighth setting , but I don’t care.
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Post by reverendrob on Mar 14, 2023 7:43:40 GMT -5
Yea, the Digidelay was a damn good pedla for the time - the only reason I gave mine to a friend was I got the much lamented discontinued TimeBender that had everything good from the Digidelay and then some (including batxxxx stereo harmony with good tracking on the stereo field and acted like the units it was emulating - the expression pedal output would "sweep" the head like a Plex does if set on that, or do the spaceship chirp of the Space Echo's motor slowing or speeding up, etc).
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Post by larryguitar54 on Mar 14, 2023 22:03:27 GMT -5
I pay a lot of attention to the delay. On the 'big board' I run a DD7 and CC Delay together. My theory is if they are slightly out of phase it holds the delay but smooths out the effect. Here is a video I did some time ago on this. The board is a PIA to haul around but it has everything a boy needs.
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Post by rickyguitar on Mar 15, 2023 21:18:36 GMT -5
CC, Some days I mess with it, some days I don't.
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Post by Ryder on Mar 17, 2023 11:17:38 GMT -5
I also have the Boss DM-2W and like it a lot. I'm really fussy until I get it set how I want it. Then, I don't touch it!
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