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Post by gato on Mar 23, 2023 6:53:28 GMT -5
GM has announced the end of the Chevrolet Camaro. First introduced in 1966, the last Camaros produced will emerge in January, as the company transitions from gas-powered to electric vehicles. Scott Bell, VP of Global Chevrolet, teased that "this is not the end of Camaro's story. Just as with the return of Blockbuster Video, this muscle car will rise from the ashes and return to relevancy." According to unidentified sources, Mr. Bell is working on an ad campaign where Blockbuster and the Camaro will overlap: " As long as there is VHS, there will be V8." These same sources point to Bell's failed campaign using Trans-Barbie and GI Josephine to liberate kids form video games and TikTok. www.autonews.com/cars-concepts/chevy-camaro-production-end-2024#:~:text=Production%20of%20the%20Chevrolet%20Camaro,in%20January%2C%20Chevrolet%20said%20Wednesday. |
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Post by Mike the marksman on Mar 23, 2023 7:27:16 GMT -5
I thought it was already discontinued, I almost never see them on the road.
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Post by Leftee on Mar 23, 2023 8:12:23 GMT -5
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Post by reverendrob on Mar 24, 2023 1:48:57 GMT -5
I'm reminded of ... this..somehow.
From better, vanished time.
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Post by Ragtop on Mar 24, 2023 7:42:42 GMT -5
GM has a habit of building the best ones first, and then as the model years go by they get uglier and less interesting.
Camaro, Firebird, Monte Carlo, et al- the first ones were the best.
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Post by RufusTeleStrat on Mar 24, 2023 11:12:08 GMT -5
The designs seem to become diluted or almost as if the details are buffed out and leave just the essence of the car.
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Post by themaestro on Mar 24, 2023 11:37:20 GMT -5
First years of GM models are the best-- YES. Actually, all the manufacturers do it. They start out with a nice size, relatively simple, nice styling and then it gets bigger and bloated.
RE: a plug-in or electric vehicles in general. I realize they have to think years ahead of manufacturing, but I think the auto companies are jumping the gun on abandoning petrol for electric so quickly. Battery tech (fire danger) and recharging infrastructure is not going to be here fast enough. I can see a cheap electric car for charging at home and in-town commuting (the 2nd car for the family), but out on the road, until I can find chargers on every corner and recharge an electric car as fast as I can fill a gasoline tank, they are not for me.
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Post by Pinetree on Mar 24, 2023 11:55:31 GMT -5
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Post by RufusTeleStrat on Mar 24, 2023 14:44:51 GMT -5
I have a small in town electric vehicle for getting around and second car. Its a golf cart.
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Post by reverendrob on Mar 24, 2023 16:36:50 GMT -5
First years of GM models are the best-- YES. Actually, all the manufacturers do it. They start out with a nice size, relatively simple, nice styling and then it gets bigger and bloated. RE: a plug-in or electric vehicles in general. I realize they have to think years ahead of manufacturing, but I think the auto companies are jumping the gun on abandoning petrol for electric so quickly. Battery tech (fire danger) and recharging infrastructure is not going to be here fast enough. I can see a cheap electric car for charging at home and in-town commuting (the 2nd car for the family), but out on the road, until I can find chargers on every corner and recharge an electric car as fast as I can fill a gasoline tank, they are not for me. The thing is the battery life and cold climate - when "going to town" is a 150 mile round trip...and it gets COLD, yea, that range plus lack of chargers equals hell no, and the cost of battery replacements is a triple no. |
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Post by Mfitz804 on Mar 24, 2023 18:06:26 GMT -5
First years of GM models are the best-- YES. Actually, all the manufacturers do it. They start out with a nice size, relatively simple, nice styling and then it gets bigger and bloated. RE: a plug-in or electric vehicles in general. I realize they have to think years ahead of manufacturing, but I think the auto companies are jumping the gun on abandoning petrol for electric so quickly. Battery tech (fire danger) and recharging infrastructure is not going to be here fast enough. I can see a cheap electric car for charging at home and in-town commuting (the 2nd car for the family), but out on the road, until I can find chargers on every corner and recharge an electric car as fast as I can fill a gasoline tank, they are not for me. The thing is the battery life and cold climate - when "going to town" is a 150 mile round trip...and it gets COLD, yea, that range plus lack of chargers equals hell no, and the cost of battery replacements is a triple no. I don’t even have that situation and I don’t want one. I have only on the street parking at home, to the extent you can get a home setup to charge a car, it would have to lay across the sidewalk causing a tripping hazard. Don’t have chargers at work either. Friend of mine went out of town and was offered a free rental car “upgrade” to a Tesla. They wound up sitting in random supermarket parking lots every night for a couple of hours to keep the thing moving. I like the environment, but no thanks. |
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Post by Lesterstrat on Mar 24, 2023 21:01:54 GMT -5
Just as well, I've been waiting for years for the GMC version because I want all the extra bells and whistles on my muscle!
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Post by reverendrob on Mar 24, 2023 22:56:31 GMT -5
The thing is the battery life and cold climate - when "going to town" is a 150 mile round trip...and it gets COLD, yea, that range plus lack of chargers equals hell no, and the cost of battery replacements is a triple no. I don’t even have that situation and I don’t want one. I have only on the street parking at home, to the extent you can get a home setup to charge a car, it would have to lay across the sidewalk causing a tripping hazard. Don’t have chargers at work either. Friend of mine went out of town and was offered a free rental car “upgrade” to a Tesla. They wound up sitting in random supermarket parking lots every night for a couple of hours to keep the thing moving. I like the environment, but no thanks. Yea, and it's a case of the strip mining and environmental hazards of the production of the short-lived ...EVs...isn't exactly golden there. If I was an environmentalist in the modern sense of the term, I would avoid them for that reason alone. |
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Post by K4 on Mar 25, 2023 0:28:36 GMT -5
There is a study done by Volvo that says it takes 68,000 miles for a BEV to offset the pollution from an ICE car.
Longer if you think Co2 is a requirement for life on this planet.
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Post by reverendrob on Mar 25, 2023 3:10:47 GMT -5
And that's to *offset* - how many will last that long, honestly?
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Post by RufusTeleStrat on Mar 25, 2023 21:15:59 GMT -5
The interesting thing is defining offset. From what I have read the mining and pollution caused just to produce the BEV is more than a ICE vehicle of the same footprint. This doesn't ever take into consideration that the electricity is produced by polluting plants fueled by either fossil fuels like gas, oil, or coal. The impact of wind and solar is negligible.
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Post by reverendrob on Mar 26, 2023 7:44:39 GMT -5
Wind isn't, given the cost of making and maintaining the things, especially in cold climates.
You blow a LOT of avgas on the choppers replacing/deicing the blades etc, and that doesn't take into account the horrible toll on wildlife.
There is no genuine "green" solution to this mess.
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Post by Leftee on Mar 26, 2023 7:48:17 GMT -5
I was riding through KS and OK a couple weeks ago and noticed that a bunch of those windmills and leaking oil. Some of them a lot of oil.
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Post by LTB on Mar 26, 2023 10:37:21 GMT -5
GM has a habit of building the best ones first, and then as the model years go by they get uglier and less interesting. Camaro, Firebird, Monte Carlo, et al- the first ones were the best. I had a Red 68 Camaro and later a Metalflake Brown 77 Monte Carlo. Wish I still had that one. Got rid of it in the Gas Scare of 79. Stupid thing to do |
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