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Post by Larry Madsen on May 4, 2023 19:22:04 GMT -5
What I am seeing is standard J bass is 1 1/2”and standard P bass is 1 11/16”.
To the extent these numbers are accurate …. Is there any general trend or consensus in what players prefer?
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Post by LTB on May 4, 2023 23:02:12 GMT -5
How big are your hands? I have small hands and prefer a 1.5" width but have little issue with 1.62. Can not deal with 1.75"very well. If your hands are larger you might prefer 1.68". If you come from mostly playing guitar you are likely to want 1.5" or similar.
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Post by Larry Madsen on May 5, 2023 5:39:16 GMT -5
My Warmoth guitar necks are 1 11/16”. I am not a bass player.
My question isn’t so much a “what’s best for me” query. It’s, as stated, general trend or consensus, if one exists.
What information I have gathered seems to lean toward the narrower neck width. It does appear that even your response is in that direction, so that also helps me. 😜
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Post by Rick Knight on May 5, 2023 6:38:02 GMT -5
I prefer 1 1/2".
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Post by Larry Madsen on May 5, 2023 7:49:56 GMT -5
Thanks Rick. I think I am at the very least down to ... certainly no wider than 1 5/8". My only resistance is the notion in the back of my head (seemingly ill founded) that the strings will be really close together, obviously that is not an issue for actual bass players.
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Post by DrKev on May 5, 2023 8:23:08 GMT -5
What I am seeing is standard J bass is 1 1/2”and standard P bass is 1 11/16”. To the extent these numbers are accurate …. Is there any general trend or consensus in what players prefer? Pre 1962, I'm not sure. From 1962 on Fender standardized and offered four nut widths on all instruments, labelled A thru D A = 1 1/2" (38.1 mm) B = 1 5/8" (41.3 mm) C = 1 3/4" (44.5 mm) D = 1 7/8" (47.6 mm) Is far as I can tell, unless a dealer specified something specific for an order, Jazz basses were by default an A width (although some people will say it was actually a smaller 1-7/16" width until well into the 70s), Precisions were C, until about 1968 when they changed to a B width. Most Fender guitars were B too. But they were all hand shaped and sanded back then and tolerances were large and they could vary quite a bit above or below those measurements. Player preference varies as widely as the individual measurements! 1-11/16" is regarded as standard Gibson electric guitar nut width (though it wasn't always, it was 1-9/16" from '65 to '78-ish) which Fender started offering on guitars some time in the 90s? And the constant changing of measurement units between fractional inches, decimal inches, and millimeters (with varying numbers of decimal places and/or accuracy of conversion) just adds to the mess.
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Post by Larry Madsen on May 5, 2023 10:38:44 GMT -5
Thanks Dr. I think I found those specs on a search as well. I tossed out the two specs I listed based on the broad info available from the inner-webs.
I’m more focused on what players seem to like in the hand.
I realize it will vary from person to person. As of now it’s 2 for 2 on inch and a half. 😜
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Post by funkykikuchiyo on May 5, 2023 11:12:51 GMT -5
Most people seem to prefer the 1 1/2". If you're a die hard P-bass fan you'll want it wider - likely has an impact on tone, as well. I never really notice much of a difference. You're asking for wrist problems if you're a thumb wrapper on a bass anyway, so ergonomically they're pretty close for me. I don't think people who dislike the P-neck do so because they feel it is too chunky (realistically that isn't all that big), but the strings probably feel oddly far apart to them. That is just a guess, though.
Strings crowding together is sometimes an issue with 5 and 6 string basses for people who like to slap and pop, because they want to be able to get in between those strings. It starts to feel like a guitar to them. I don't think a 4-string bass is ever going to be crowded enough for that to be an issue. P and J basses have the same bridge width, so the right hand is going to feel pretty darn close.
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Post by Larry Madsen on May 5, 2023 11:23:50 GMT -5
Thanks funkykikuchiyo.
I’ll be ordering a neck for my bass project fairly soon. I want to settle on this spec early on here.
I might go to a slim profile, which could have me leaning to the slightly wider 1 5/8” nut width.
I don’t imagine I’ll go any wider than that no matter what considering the input I’m getting.
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Post by Taildragger on May 5, 2023 21:35:16 GMT -5
Preface: I don't have small hands, but I'm old and both thumbs are arthritic, so this affects my preferences. I don't slap or play with a pick: just finger style.
I prefer 1-1/2". I don't have a J bass but the nuts on my Guild Starfires and Fender Mustang (all short scale) are all 1-1/2". I don't want thin (front-to-back) just narrow (side-to-side). I also have a Reverend Dub King (also SS) which has a 1-5/8" nut. I like the sounds it can produce, but don't find it as comfortable to play as the others. For me, the Guild neck carve is perfect. Added note: the string spacing at the Guild bridge saddles is 17mm (as opposed to a Jazz, which is closer to 19mm)
If I was going to buy a Fender P for the sound, I'd get one with a J neck (1-1/2" nut) for ergonomics.
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Post by matryx81 on May 6, 2023 6:49:29 GMT -5
If I was going to buy a Fender P for the sound, I'd get one with a J neck (1-1/2" nut) for ergonomics. Good luck finding a Fender with those specs at a decent price. Maruszczyk is likely your most cost effective option for a FSO with those specs.
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Post by Larry Madsen on May 6, 2023 7:34:53 GMT -5
Good luck finding a Fender with those specs at a decent price. Fortunately for me I'll be ordering from Warmoth. Getting the specs won't be a problem and the price will be around $250.00. I consider that decent for filling my need with exactly what I want. I'll be ordering a paddle head and cutting my own design for my project. It continues to appear that 1 1/2" at the nut is the ticket.
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Post by LTB on May 6, 2023 8:20:29 GMT -5
My Warmoth guitar necks are 1 11/16”. I am not a bass player. My question isn’t so much a “what’s best for me” query. It’s, as stated, general trend or consensus, if one exists. What information I have gathered seems to lean toward the narrower neck width. It does appear that even your response is in that direction, so that also helps me. 😜 My preference is not only 1.5” but a flat D ( shallow front to back thickness) of my Fender American Pro Jazz. Having said that the necks on my Sire P7 and v5 are not bad at 1.5” and a more rounded C shape. Both are very comfortable with Rounded edges and frets.
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Post by themaestro on May 6, 2023 8:27:46 GMT -5
I find 1-1/2 to be a little small feeling for me. It's not the string spacing itself. I have a couple of 5-strings with similar string-to-string spacing. I just like a more hefty neck in my hand. "Baseball bat" necks are fine with me. To me, I find the front-to-back dimension more important than the neck width. Then again, I don't play "solo" bass or need a fast neck.
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Post by reverendrob on May 6, 2023 8:51:24 GMT -5
For bass, I'm genuinely ambivalent, and have huge hands. I'm sine with the 1.5" (and love my Bass VI, which puts six lighter than the Jazz bass set - but not by much) in a Jaguar/Jazzmaster trem width and bridge with (and nut width) and that's my go-to 99% of the time now.
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Post by Leftee on May 6, 2023 9:23:48 GMT -5
From a guitarist’s perspective 1.5” seems narrow. Considering there are only 4 strings it’s not.
I’ve got both a J and a P clone - with the traditional nut widths. Both are fine with me. I also have the Arthur in my thumbs. I don’t know what the future holds regarding this topic.
For guitar I’m largely 1 11/16” with a couple 1 3/4” mixed in.
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Post by LTB on May 6, 2023 9:38:54 GMT -5
From a guitarist’s perspective 1.5” seems narrow. Considering there are only 4 strings it’s not. I’ve got both a J and a P clone - with the traditional nut widths. Both are fine with me. I also have the Arthur in my thumbs. I don’t know what the future holds regarding this topic. For guitar I’m largely 1 11/16” with a couple 1 3/4” mixed in. I agree on guitar that 1.5 is too narrow. I like as much as 1.7”
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Post by Leftee on May 6, 2023 9:44:22 GMT -5
I have a Strat build with a 1 5/8” nut, but the 7.25” radius seems to make that comfortable. That’s my theory any ways.
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Post by Rick Knight on May 7, 2023 9:33:53 GMT -5
When I played long scale basses, a parts P with a J neck became my #1, over a nice Jazz and a Rickenbacker. My current #1 is a Warmoth SSB body with one of their more comfortable (for me) 32" medium scale necks. It also has a 1 1/2" nut.
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Post by Larry Madsen on May 7, 2023 20:18:12 GMT -5
Rick, thanks for the input. More confirmation of the 1 1/2" width at the nut. I think I'm settled on that. Now to decide if I dare go with the slim neck profile.
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Post by matryx81 on May 8, 2023 6:38:38 GMT -5
Fortunately for me I'll be ordering from Warmoth. Getting the specs won't be a problem and the price will be around $250.00. I consider that decent for filling my need with exactly what I want. Ugh...how did I forget about Warmoth? Easily the most cost effective option that should also be good. As for the slim neck profile, if you want a 1.5" nut width you can do the slim neck profile. It should be nice unless it is too slim (a la what some say about the Geddy Lee Jazz Bass).
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Post by morrow on May 16, 2023 12:14:19 GMT -5
I have different basses with different necks , if you spend the time you become adjusted. It really doesn’t matter much now.
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Post by hushnel on May 19, 2023 12:09:27 GMT -5
The nuts on my instruments are all over the place, from upright to the diminutive 20” scale cigarbox bass, which actually sounds really good with the Phil Jones Bass Double Four. I’ve made nuts and saddles from Corian, bone, antler, ebony and ivory,
For rehearsal and gigs, I usually use the Guild Starfire. Recordings with the P Bass”Special” and for kick around use, the Ibanez acoustic with the Phil Jones double four, which I’ll be using at the Junkyard jam this Monday.
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Post by markfromhawaii on May 26, 2023 12:10:14 GMT -5
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