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Post by rickyguitar on Jul 2, 2023 9:59:02 GMT -5
Any advice or tips on protecting a layered body in humid places? My new 12 string has a layered body, I have never had one before. We are living in NY which is also new to me (Colorado kid).
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Post by funkykikuchiyo on Jul 2, 2023 13:32:01 GMT -5
Laminated woods in acoustics are mostly unaffected by humidity changes. Sometimes the action can move slightly if the changes are really dramatic since the braces are still solid, but usually the changes have to be very large, and the neck will likely move before the top.
I wish there were more options for decent quality all laminate guitars for this reason - sometimes people want an acoustic that is fun to play but doesn't need the humidity monitoring. The graphite guitars have been all kinda underwhelming to me. I'd rather have a decent laminate.
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Post by funkykikuchiyo on Jul 2, 2023 15:08:08 GMT -5
Just saw your other post, and that is a solid top guitar.
Nothing much to be done in humid environments. Guitars want to be around 45. Indoors you won't go so high that it'll cause problems. The only guitars I've seen really suffer from too much natural humidity were in Hawaii. The top might puff up and make it a bit harder to play in the summer, but not a big deal.
Some people will get so paranoid about drying the guitar out that they'll add humidifiers when the weather doesn't warrant it, and you can over humidify a guitar pretty dramatically that way. If in doubt, just get a decent hygrometer for the room so you have a guide to know when you start/stop humidifier use in the months when it is necessary to take the guess work out.
This is all for the top. The back won't care.
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Post by LTB on Jul 2, 2023 15:43:03 GMT -5
I had a Martin acoustic electric and even in our house one day it sounded beautiful and the next like a wet rag was on it. Drove me crazy and I eventually sold it.
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Post by sirWheat on Jul 2, 2023 16:59:28 GMT -5
My house is at 66% right now, and that's with the windows closed since the night before last (I don't have a/c). Gets as low as the upper twenties in the winter. Some of my guitars are bothered by the fluctuation, some aren't. Two notable complainers are a Firebird and a D-18; the neck on the former gets squirrely and the latter's top blew up like a balloon the first couple of summers and settled itself into the look of a thirty year old non-babied guitar. Thankfully Martin reset the neck when they (for the second time in four years) had it in to fix the ever-shrinking binding. It's stable now, and because of it I've devoted a room to the guitars which is kept at the proper moisture level. I also have a Blueridge J-45 copy that is a stalwart despite being all solid wood and living it's first five years in an upstairs apartment with 40s era insulation and no humidity control. It sits out most of the time and only needs a truss rod adjustment twice a year. I bought it new in 2007 and the top has barely distorted. Go figure...
Ricky, I would say get a hygrometer for the case and keep the guitar in there when you aren't playing it; keep track of the moisture and adjust as necessary. If your house isn't super well sealed and hydrated in the winter then you're gonna see a decent fluctuation over the course of the year.
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Post by rickyguitar on Jul 2, 2023 18:10:58 GMT -5
Thanks for the replies. I knew my new guitar was wood top, lam body. Humidity here today was 84%. Something I never saw in Colorado. Trolling online I came across an article saying lam bodies tend to be quite durable but very high humidity can cause mildew issues(?!). I think I will get a hygrometer and see what develops. Thanks again.
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Post by funkykikuchiyo on Jul 2, 2023 22:25:17 GMT -5
You'll get mildew any time you'd get mildew in other places. The times I've seen mold is either if someone is storing the instrument in an otherwise non-livable place, or they got stupid with humidifying it. As in, taking the biggest sponge you can find, soaking it, and putting it straight in the case. Also, a couple that got dropped in a lake or something. It shouldn't get mildew any faster than anything else in your living space.
If you keep it where you're comfortable living, you're doing the best you can. Dehumidifying an area for guitars just isn't practical. I'll puff up a bit. If it is really bad, you may want a summer saddle and a winter saddle for when the action goes back and forth.
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Post by Leftee on Jul 3, 2023 8:23:55 GMT -5
We get some high humidity here in central VA during the summer, but our A/C seems to keep it around 40% - 50% inside. I call that good enough. In the dead of winter the heat dries out the air and then I humidify - aiming for the mid 40s. The net result is pretty much a 10 point range year around.
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Post by sirWheat on Jul 4, 2023 6:25:31 GMT -5
Hmm, why do you think that dehumidifying isn't practical? 84% is way out of range...
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Post by rickyguitar on Jul 4, 2023 8:22:06 GMT -5
^no ac
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Post by funkykikuchiyo on Jul 4, 2023 13:30:41 GMT -5
Hmm, why do you think that dehumidifying isn't practical? 84% is way out of range... Dehumidifers are noisy, a lot of work and draw a lot of current. You'd have to keep the house sealed up for them to work. I'm not aware of anyone using them except for mold mitigation/leaky basements. That's what I meant. AC would also work, of course.
Is 84% where it is at all the time, or just where it peaks when it rains? I'd be more concerned what the average is across a few days.
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Post by rickyguitar on Jul 4, 2023 13:33:21 GMT -5
59% now.
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Post by funkykikuchiyo on Jul 4, 2023 14:21:35 GMT -5
Definitely high, but not guitar breaking high.
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Post by rickyguitar on Jul 4, 2023 15:28:22 GMT -5
Just got a window unit for the room it lives on. I will put it in shortly, had to carry it up 25 stairs. Feeling my years right now.
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Post by LTB on Jul 5, 2023 2:34:57 GMT -5
Just got a window unit for the room it lives on. I will put it in shortly, had to carry it up 25 stairs. Feeling my years right now. I feel for you! I could not do that now. Hope it works Well for you.
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