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Post by Taildragger on Jan 27, 2024 12:50:00 GMT -5
Post by Auf Kiltre on [abbr data-timestamp="1706376595000" title="Sat Jan 27 2024 09:29:55 GMT-0800 (Pacific Standard Time)" class="o-timestamp time recent_time"]less than a minute ago[/abbr] I'll make the broad and stereotypical geezer statement of all artists contained within the rap/hip-hop genre. I just don't get it. I agree, with the caveat that, IMHO, rap can be tolerable if it appears as one element within a greater musical context. Groups like Fishbone and Screaming Headless Torsos would constitute examples of what I'm talking about: actual, accomplished musicians who can really play and sing in addition to rapping. But some tatted-up, backwards-cap, Autotuned homeboy reciting pages from a rhyming dictionary in a monotone, punctuated by thrown signs and periodic "uh"s and "yeh"s while samples and a drum machine drone mechanically in the background? No thanks. Attitude is a weak substitute for chops.
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Post by ninworks on Jan 27, 2024 12:50:09 GMT -5
Yeah, Eddie Vedder too. To me he sounds like a depressed Swedish Chef from The Muppetts.
"Ervunflur. Thurts urruve lark burtterflurs."
I second the post on Jeff Beck. Incredible guitarist but his music was ho hum to me.
The Dead as well. I guess I didn't smoke enough weed to get into them and I tried real hard to back in the day....the weed part.
I think a lot of the lyrical content of Rap is very deep but I can't sign onto the monotone delivery against a crappy rhythm on a TR 808 drum machine. I had an original one of those back in the day and I didn't like it then either but I wish I still had it. It would be worth a mint these days.
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Post by Taildragger on Jan 27, 2024 12:51:05 GMT -5
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Post by matryx81 on Jan 27, 2024 13:08:18 GMT -5
Creed.
That is just one band I can think of. I am sure there are others.
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Post by Taildragger on Jan 27, 2024 13:18:03 GMT -5
"Creed Sucks": an FDP mantra.
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Post by LeftyMeister on Jan 27, 2024 17:37:45 GMT -5
Regarding Beck, I said a few times on the FDP that his playing reminded me of a cat making love to a bumblebee.
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Post by Auf Kiltre on Jan 27, 2024 18:16:59 GMT -5
I really enjoyed Becks talent, approach, tone. He grew as a guitarist where Clapton stayed pretty much in his comfort zone. I have nothing but respect for him, and enjoy coming across clips of him playing. That said, he's not in any rotation and I don't go seeking his stuff out. He should have hooked up into a more tradition band focused on AOR style music, IMO.
Another guy that just never grabbed me is Mellencamp. To me he always seemed like a cornfield Springsteen.
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Post by Taildragger on Jan 27, 2024 18:59:02 GMT -5
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Post by rickyguitar on Jan 27, 2024 19:59:36 GMT -5
Steve Miller. Kiss. Velvet Underground.
Edited to add: Rush Milli Vanilli
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Post by reverendrob on Jan 27, 2024 20:00:28 GMT -5
SRV. No thanks, no interest.
Journey. Schon is amazing, but...nothanks.
Fleetwood mac. I don't even.
And in the "I love metal, but dont' get it - even seen them live several times in their peak as openers": Anthrax.
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Post by langford on Jan 27, 2024 20:04:43 GMT -5
I think a lot of the lyrical content of Rap is very deep but I can't sign onto the monotone delivery against a crappy rhythm on a TR 808 drum machine. I had an original one of those back in the day and I didn't like it then either but I wish I still had it. It would be worth a mint these days. Have you tried taking smaller steps, nin?
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Post by langford on Jan 27, 2024 20:13:55 GMT -5
A lot of the influential late-'60s stuff whizzes right past me. Cream, the Jimi Hendrix Experience, Sid Barret-era Pink Floyd. I understand why they're important (well, maybe not Sid) but it's all academic. The music itself does nothing for me.
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Post by langford on Jan 27, 2024 20:26:17 GMT -5
SRV. No thanks, no interest. Hey Rob... A question/thought experiment: Would you try an album by SRV (if it were possible) where he was limited to only one blazing guitar solo? I'd be curious to hear it. I'm not a fan of the guitar-hero trope—especially when it comes to blues—and wish those guys could step away and show us other places their creativity takes them. I think SRV is a gifted musician, but I can listen to on one or two songs in the style he's known for before my minds wander and I start to fidget. That said, I'm curious about what else artists like are interested in.
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Post by reverendrob on Jan 27, 2024 21:23:51 GMT -5
SRV. No thanks, no interest. Hey Rob... A question/thought experiment: Would you try an album by SRV (if it were possible) where he was limited to only one blazing guitar solo? I'd be curious to hear it. I'm not a fan of the guitar-hero trope—especially when it comes to blues—and wish those guys could step away and show us other places their creativity takes them. I think SRV is a gifted musician, but I can listen to on one or two songs in the style he's known for before my minds wander and I start to fidget. That said, I'm curious about what else artists like are interested in. I'd consider it, just a case of "I'm not enamored of his songwriting or the faux Hendrix chops"
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Post by K4 on Jan 27, 2024 21:26:12 GMT -5
Kiss, gratefull dead are the 2 that come to mind. Several others will soon pop into my mind.
Ted, I last saw him in a small club, he rocked the place, no more tarzan crap.
Skynyrd, I love the way they layered 3 guitars.
Jeff Beck would have been great in a jazz band. But like others with his out there talent, he didn't play well with others.
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Post by Taildragger on Jan 27, 2024 21:39:17 GMT -5
I like a few Grateful Dead songs, but think they are vastly over-rated by many. I recognize that there is a good deal of personal "coming of age" nostalgia which colors my opinion of their early catalog: one of those, "when you first heard them, where were you, doing what and with whom" situations. BTW: I've never worn tie-dye anything and have spent exactly zero hours following them around the country in a brush-painted, badly-tuned VW bus...
I do give them kudos for being possibly the longest-lived garage band in rock-n-roll history. I also give them credit for directing lots of attention towards Alembic's experiments.
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Post by funkykikuchiyo on Jan 27, 2024 22:24:03 GMT -5
SRV. No thanks, no interest. Hey Rob... A question/thought experiment: Would you try an album by SRV (if it were possible) where he was limited to only one blazing guitar solo? I'd be curious to hear it. I'm not a fan of the guitar-hero trope—especially when it comes to blues—and wish those guys could step away and show us other places their creativity takes them. I think SRV is a gifted musician, but I can listen to on one or two songs in the style he's known for before my minds wander and I start to fidget. That said, I'm curious about what else artists like are interested in. I revisited his music a year or two ago, and realized that his playing isn't as guitar-hero/out of control as we remember. He plays to suit the song way more often than not. I think we seek out guitar heros (collectively as guitar players) so much that it gets over-emphasized, and all of the post-SRV players definitely over play, but SRV surprisingly not as much. His playing shines the most when you listen how well he works with his rhythm section. A lot of times those big dramatic notes sound so big not because he's beating the snot out of the guitar, but because it is so well synched with the bass and drums. Personally, I think every time I heard some mediocre blues player flipping out with every lick he knows like a puppy being let out after being in a crate all day, I associated it all with SRV, but that really wasn't him. It was just the guys who came after him.
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Post by ninworks on Jan 28, 2024 5:27:43 GMT -5
I think a lot of the lyrical content of Rap is very deep but I can't sign onto the monotone delivery against a crappy rhythm on a TR 808 drum machine. I had an original one of those back in the day and I didn't like it then either but I wish I still had it. It would be worth a mint these days. Have you tried taking smaller steps, nin? Uh, no. Don't generally care for Bluegrass either. I respect a lot of the player's abilities but the genre does nothing for me. The rap only makes it worse IMHO. My wife likes Bluegrass so we have gone to see a number of very talented Bluegrass bands since moving to Tennessee in 2015. Still not a fan but the players were monsters. I really don't like the sound of banjos. Like fingernails on a chalkboard to me. My take on them is that anything with a drum head on it should be hit with a stick.
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Post by Opie on Jan 28, 2024 8:00:26 GMT -5
SRV. No thanks, no interest. Hey Rob... A question/thought experiment: Would you try an album by SRV (if it were possible) where he was limited to only one blazing guitar solo? I'd be curious to hear it. I'm not a fan of the guitar-hero trope—especially when it comes to blues—and wish those guys could step away and show us other places their creativity takes them. I think SRV is a gifted musician, but I can listen to on one or two songs in the style he's known for before my minds wander and I start to fidget. That said, I'm curious about what else artists like are interested in. I always thought this to be his best solo, playing on Benny Wallace tune.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1v0t47l-6Cg
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Post by LeftyMeister on Jan 28, 2024 8:46:24 GMT -5
I like a lot of SRV but tire quickly of his overuse of the Albert King/Buddy Guy lick. It's all over the Texas Flood solo. He used it on his early songs more often than not and it causes instant ear fatigue for me.
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Post by reverendrob on Jan 28, 2024 9:34:46 GMT -5
Hey Rob... A question/thought experiment: Would you try an album by SRV (if it were possible) where he was limited to only one blazing guitar solo? I'd be curious to hear it. I'm not a fan of the guitar-hero trope—especially when it comes to blues—and wish those guys could step away and show us other places their creativity takes them. I think SRV is a gifted musician, but I can listen to on one or two songs in the style he's known for before my minds wander and I start to fidget. That said, I'm curious about what else artists like are interested in. I revisited his music a year or two ago, and realized that his playing isn't as guitar-hero/out of control as we remember. He plays to suit the song way more often than not. I think we seek out guitar heros (collectively as guitar players) so much that it gets over-emphasized, and all of the post-SRV players definitely over play, but SRV surprisingly not as much. His playing shines the most when you listen how well he works with his rhythm section. A lot of times those big dramatic notes sound so big not because he's beating the snot out of the guitar, but because it is so well synched with the bass and drums. Personally, I think every time I heard some mediocre blues player flipping out with every lick he knows like a puppy being let out after being in a crate all day, I associated it all with SRV, but that really wasn't him. It was just the guys who came after him. I don't deny he had a certain feel, but when the swing don't move ya, it ain't got no thang. He doesn't sound any better to me than countless blues guys growing up in Chicago, and well, I got tired of the limited palate of that FAST.
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Post by reverendrob on Jan 28, 2024 9:35:49 GMT -5
Hey Rob... A question/thought experiment: Would you try an album by SRV (if it were possible) where he was limited to only one blazing guitar solo? I'd be curious to hear it. I'm not a fan of the guitar-hero trope—especially when it comes to blues—and wish those guys could step away and show us other places their creativity takes them. I think SRV is a gifted musician, but I can listen to on one or two songs in the style he's known for before my minds wander and I start to fidget. That said, I'm curious about what else artists like are interested in. I always thought this to be his best solo, playing on Benny Wallace tune.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1v0t47l-6Cg Doesn't speak to me, sorry. I'm not saying he's not "talented" but...he's on par with a thousand unsung blues guys in Chicago with a little Hendrix tossed in.
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Post by Auf Kiltre on Jan 28, 2024 10:24:03 GMT -5
I played in a blues/rockin' band for quite a few years. We never did any SRV with the exception of a few sit-in guests and played the obligatory Pride and Joy. I found it fun stretching out in the blues, almost therapeutic. It was usually during a later set and I was always cognizant of when it came time to reel it in.
I personally think SRV was the real deal. I don't spend too much time listening to him but am always fascinated by just how much he put into a performance. To me his tone was great. It's pretty easy to go back to the source of a particular trend and hold them responsible for that which they spawned. The backwerdz beret, the "ginormous strings tuned down a half-step", the signature guitar, etc.
I really dug Rickie Lee Jones when she emerged in the twilight of the disco era. But looking back I can't unhear all the baby-doll female vocalists with peculiar affectations that followed. Familiarity breeds contempt and it is very often demonstrated in the world of music.
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Post by Leftee on Jan 28, 2024 10:36:26 GMT -5
I listened to Mr. V a lot, back in the day. Another time and place thing.
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Post by funkykikuchiyo on Jan 28, 2024 11:05:57 GMT -5
I revisited his music a year or two ago, and realized that his playing isn't as guitar-hero/out of control as we remember. He plays to suit the song way more often than not. I think we seek out guitar heros (collectively as guitar players) so much that it gets over-emphasized, and all of the post-SRV players definitely over play, but SRV surprisingly not as much. His playing shines the most when you listen how well he works with his rhythm section. A lot of times those big dramatic notes sound so big not because he's beating the snot out of the guitar, but because it is so well synched with the bass and drums. Personally, I think every time I heard some mediocre blues player flipping out with every lick he knows like a puppy being let out after being in a crate all day, I associated it all with SRV, but that really wasn't him. It was just the guys who came after him. I don't deny he had a certain feel, but when the swing don't move ya, it ain't got no thang. He doesn't sound any better to me than countless blues guys growing up in Chicago, and well, I got tired of the limited palate of that FAST. I get that. Working in/around music stores for a couple decades has meant that I've learned how to see the appeal of a musician for someone else without having to experience it myself. And, I don't find myself listening as often. It isn't harmonically interesting enough for me. A guitarist named Jon Finn had an album in the late '90s with a track called "If SRV Went to Berklee And Studied Jazz", and it was a warm-hearted homage... but made an interesting point. He got by on the power of phrasing, was really good at following changes through a blues turnaround, but really didn't have much else harmonically. If he did a cover, his ear was good enough to find the right extensions/harmonies that were present in the original, but he seemed a bit lost when left on his own. It mostly interests me how our memories are warped for certain musicians because of the imitators. Same thing happens with singers... listen to modern R&B/soul singers, and they do waaaayy too many pyrotechnics and I'm sure they remember the greats doing that... but the greats were much more conservative in it. Even someone like Aretha Franklin was very understated compared to someone today. Everyone does a ridiculous over-the-top American Idol thing now. And, SRV's appeal as I listen back is his incredible timing. It tells me that all this time if someone wants the SRV sound/feel, the answer isn't the heavy strings or the licks, it would probably be playing with a metronome.
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Post by ninworks on Jan 28, 2024 11:18:32 GMT -5
Never was a SRV fan but can see how people would like him. I didn't like his voice much and that is always a deal breaker for me. I never was a Hendrix fan either back in the day but I have tremendous respect for his innovations. To this day when I hear a Hendrix riff come out of someone playing guitar I kind of cringe but I get it. He spawned a lot of guitar players. For me, playing the blues is a lot more fun than listening to it. It's kind of like baseball in that regard.
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Post by argo on Jan 28, 2024 12:04:32 GMT -5
Jeff Beck with the Yardbirds and with Beck Bogart and Appice are still high on my listening rotation. I do agree with you all about his later stuff.
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Post by reverendrob on Jan 28, 2024 13:46:33 GMT -5
Jeff Beck with the Yardbirds and with Beck Bogart and Appice are still high on my listening rotation. I do agree with you all about his later stuff. Beck for me the only interest I have is his amazing work on "Amused to Death."
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Post by slacker 🐨 on Jan 29, 2024 15:22:55 GMT -5
Funny to read this stuff. Many on here that I agree with, yet some of my all time favorites listed as well.
One thing I guess I'm grateful for is that I don't have a super sophisticated musical palate. To draw an analogy, I can enjoy a chili dog with a cold brew, or a medium rare filet mignon with a really nice Bordeaux. Time and place for me, but I rarely find food to simple or music too mindless.
Being a musical simpleton has it's benefits. Sign me up for SRV....I've seen him 5 times live and wish I could up that number considerably. Watching him sit 5 feet in front of my on the edge of the stage playing "Lenny" is an all-time musical memory for me.
Same with Rush...I've seen them over a dozen times and it makes me sad to know I'll never see them again. I get that the vocals are, at best, an acquired taste, but the musicianship and unbelievable ability to carry that on stage is mind blowing for me. Neil was an absolute force on the drum kit and did things live that I still can't believe are possible.
But them some all time greats have never appealed to me. Most notably would be Hendrix. I get that he was a pioneer and took things to new places, but his pitchy tuning and sloppy playing annoy the hell out of me. Stevie would probably be mortified to hear me say this, but I never really got into Voodoo Chile until I heard Stevie's version...to me it's just played better....IMO of course.
Others that are considered icons that just never moved me: The Rolling Stones, Dylan, Neil Young, and all of the grunge crap to name a few. Yet I still listen to older AC/DC on a regular basis. The energy and tone with a seemingly never ending bounty of great riffs just sucks me in over and over.
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Post by markfromhawaii on Jan 29, 2024 15:51:54 GMT -5
I can’t listen to the Sex Pistols today. I understand their schtick about breaking out of the bounds of corporate rock, but at least tune and learn to play your instruments.
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