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Post by LM on Apr 18, 2020 17:36:31 GMT -5
I've always loved the guitars on Badfinger's Baby Blue. It has absolutely killer badass tones.
Lead singer, Pete Ham, played an SG that George Harrison gave to him. It's common knowledge it was the same SG used on the Revolver album. For amps, it's believed they used Hiwatt 100 heads with Celestion loaded 4x12 cabs.
This clip shows them playing Fenders, but they could've just been props since the instruments sound like the studio recording with live vocals. If not, Ham's SG sounds exactly like an acoustic.
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Post by Highstrung56 on Apr 18, 2020 19:04:48 GMT -5
The Who - Bargain 1959 Gretsch 6120, 1959 Fender Bandmaster. Edwards volume pedal, Whirlwind cable.
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Post by Peppy on Apr 18, 2020 21:27:20 GMT -5
Amos Garrett on "Midnight at the Oasis". No idea what he used but the tone (plus touch, taste, and technique) on that solo is 🔥.
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Post by LM on Apr 18, 2020 21:34:34 GMT -5
The Who - Bargain 1959 Gretsch 6120, 1959 Fender Bandmaster. Edwards volume pedal, Whirlwind cable. A Gretsch and a Bandmaster? I never would've guessed.
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Post by LM on Apr 18, 2020 21:38:23 GMT -5
Amos Garrett on "Midnight at the Oasis". No idea what he used but the tone (plus touch, taste, and technique) on that solo is 🔥.
This may lend a clue if one can get past the singing. Ugh!
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Post by Peppy on Apr 18, 2020 21:40:53 GMT -5
Man, nothing like the record. ^
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Post by Highstrung56 on Apr 18, 2020 22:08:35 GMT -5
The Who - Bargain 1959 Gretsch 6120, 1959 Fender Bandmaster. Edwards volume pedal, Whirlwind cable. A Gretsch and a Bandmaster? I never would've guessed. "The guitar that made Pete’s defining electric sound on record. Combined with an Edwards pedal steel volume pedal, a Whirlwind cable and a ’59 Fender 3×10 Bandmaster amplifier, all a gift from Joe Walsh in 1970, Pete created the feedback-laden sound heard on most all post-Tommy Who and solo recordings, most significantly, Who’s Next (1971) and Quadrophenia (1973)."
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Post by funkykikuchiyo on Apr 19, 2020 12:43:20 GMT -5
Intonation issues not withstanding, some of the best jazz tones up to that point IMO. I'm too lazy to look up exactly what he's playing though.
Jazz players of that era tended to prefer the old tube amps not made by Fender. One trend I've noticed about Fender vs. all those other brands is that for a given size (tube variety, speaker layout and wattage) the Fenders seem to always have smaller cabinets. I imagine that before the mid 60s the circuit design couldn't have variety THAT much from brand to brand. I sometimes wonder if you were to take a classic Fender amp design and build an oversized cabinet for it, if you'd get closer to the tones of those older Gibson, Gretsch, Ampeg, etc. sounds. Put the vibrolux guts into a Twin cabinet (with a new baffle of course) or a Deluxe into a Vibroverb cabinet... you get the idea.
I also love some of the old soul and R&B tones of the 50s-70s. I can remember some stuff from Saturday Night Live that sounded amazing, but alas, none of that stuff is on YouTube...
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Post by Viera on Apr 22, 2020 19:43:54 GMT -5
Agree with Badfinger's Baby Blue. They really nailed a great sound. I hadn't heard the song in decades until I stumbled on a re-run of the finale of Breaking Bad a few months ago. I've watched that Kenny Rogers show performance many times recently.
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Post by LTB on Apr 30, 2020 8:45:00 GMT -5
Maria Muldaur, wow that was disapointing to say the least
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Post by LM on Apr 30, 2020 17:21:09 GMT -5
One of my all-time favorite guitar tones is the outro on Rondstadt's Poor Poor Pitiful Me (starting at 2:54). I remember hearing this song for the first time as a teen and wanting to sound just like that. Waddy Wachtel's guitar of choice was a '58 Les Paul sunburst that he bought from Stephen Stills. His amp in those days was a Music Man 210HD One-Thirty.
Here's a quote from an interview regarding this song: "One time I was doing 'Poor, Poor, Pitiful Me' on Linda's Simple Dreams album. There was something about the solo on the live track that I wasn't crazy about, so I wanted to do it again. From my amp out in the studio we ran into the booth, but it lost some of the highs because of the length of the cord. So I had to go out and sit by my amp. I was getting all bummed out, and Peter came out and sat with me. It was great. But I've seen producers just kill sessions where they'll request too much. One time an engineer was talking to Russell Kunkel, and he said, very rudely, 'Gimme some snare!' I grabbed him and said, 'Listen, you say please. You treat these guys like men.'"
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Post by LesTele on Apr 30, 2020 17:39:40 GMT -5
LeftyMeister. I agree about Waddy’s tone. It’s all over Warren Zevon’s albums. I love it too.
I would respectfully suggest that the song is Linda Ronstadt’s cover of Warren Zevon’s Poor Poor Pitiful Me.
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Post by LM on Apr 30, 2020 17:47:53 GMT -5
Yep! That's well-known.
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Post by mikedetorrice on May 1, 2020 3:11:02 GMT -5
I always thought Clapton's killer and concise lead on "Forever Man" also featured some great guitar tone. I believe that was recorded at the record company's request to include a radio-friendly and playable single and used some of the L.A. A-team studio guys including bassist Nathan East (who would go on to record and tour many times with E.C.)
I had heard Clapton used a Boss Heavy Metal pedal (presumably into an amp and using a Stratocaster) but, in any case, that particular pedal would not come into my mind for Clapton to use and to get such a great lead tone with.
Mike
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Post by LTB on May 1, 2020 16:51:18 GMT -5
Linda Rondstats "Poor Pitiful Me" is very good. She was very good in her time
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Post by larryguitar54 on May 4, 2020 19:14:16 GMT -5
I dunno but if you put a gun to my head and count to 5 I'm blurting out "Wicked Game" and "Brothers in Arms". I don't know their rig but I have a feeling it was pretty sparse and it was all in the fingers.
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Post by Tequila Rob on May 4, 2020 19:41:04 GMT -5
I've always loved the guitars on Badfinger's Baby Blue. It has absolutely killer badass tones.
Lead singer, Pete Ham, played an SG that George Harrison gave to him. It's common knowledge it was the same SG used on the Revolver album. For amps, it's believed they used Hiwatt 100 heads with Celestion loaded 4x12 cabs.
This clip shows them playing Fenders, but they could've just been props since the instruments sound like the studio recording with live vocals. If not, Ham's SG sounds exactly like an acoustic.
Couldn't agree more!!..One of my all time favorite power ballads...I spent hours learning how to play it....it's a barre chord monster.......
it's too bad what happened to them.....they wrote some damn fine stuff.....
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Post by LM on May 4, 2020 19:57:54 GMT -5
Yeah, their story is tragic.
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Post by Mike the marksman on May 5, 2020 7:03:29 GMT -5
Grateful Dead- 'Dark Star', from the Live/Dead album.
Gibson SG through cranked blackface and silverface twins and a Vox wah.
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Post by HenryJ on May 5, 2020 16:55:25 GMT -5
"The Wind Cries Mary," by Jimi Hendrix. I love the sound of the Stratocaster neck pickup.
I'm guessing a Marshall amp of some kind, but am not sure.
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Post by mikedetorrice on May 7, 2020 21:45:47 GMT -5
An all-time guitar/lead tone for me is also "Comfortably Numb" from Pink Floyd/David Gilmour.
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Post by LM on May 7, 2020 22:01:51 GMT -5
Great call! Gilmour used a Strat thru a Fender Frontman 100W 2x12 along with a Big Muff and TC Electronic Nova Delay.
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Post by Auf Kiltre on May 8, 2020 15:49:41 GMT -5
One of my favorite Clapton+Strat tones is from the live Derek and Domino's album. A little too heavy on the wah but his tone was pretty great and his chops pretty aggressive. I think Brownie, but not sure the amp, thought I heard it was a twin.
Another is Ronnie Earl Live In Europe album. Strat and ?
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Post by Opie on May 8, 2020 17:37:43 GMT -5
I'm going by memory,but I believe I read somewhere that Clapton played through a Fender Champ on the Dominos record.
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Post by Auf Kiltre on May 8, 2020 17:57:27 GMT -5
Yeah, on the studio album. The sound on the live album is way more assertive.
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Post by mikedetorrice on May 11, 2020 1:08:59 GMT -5
Yes, Clapton gets a great tone on the Live Derek and the Dominoes album ! It seems he used a couple of powerful solid state Sunn "Coliseum Lead" guitar amp heads. These were apparently the first series Sunn Coliseum Lead guitar amps with no master volume and no "Distort" and "Sustain", so I assume they were just turned up high (!) and, as has been speculated, in conjunction with a wah set to a certain angle and the Sunn's Bass and Mid "Range" switches, it overdrove/distorted it's transistorized self quite well.
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Post by Auf Kiltre on May 11, 2020 8:22:12 GMT -5
I was not aware of that, I thought in old discussions on the FDP there was some talk about Clapton using a couple of Twins or a Showman at that gig, but that was a long time ago.
Edited to add: saw some pics of EC with the dual Sunn amps stacked behind him from the show. Well I'll be, an affront to my cork sniffing vintage tube amp snobbery, lol.
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Post by ninworks on May 11, 2020 8:37:04 GMT -5
Mick Ralph's rhythm guitar on the chorus of Bad Company's Feel Like Makin Love is one of the best tones I have ever heard. I can't seem to find what gear he was using.
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Post by jdawg on May 11, 2020 21:00:06 GMT -5
I admit my bias but I don't think I've heard any less than perfect tones from Gilmore and Knopfler.
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Post by Auf Kiltre on May 11, 2020 21:27:57 GMT -5
Every time I play without a pick (which is becoming more often than not) I keep thinking I should just lose the pick entirely. I think that tactile thing is a big part of Knopfler's tone.
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