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Post by hushnel on Jul 11, 2021 14:41:40 GMT -5
I started playing bass fairly early, 1963 after a year of violin and a couple of weeks on the cello. Wiesbaden Germany, Christmas of 65 I got the Framus Atlantic bass and my brother a Framus 12 string dread.
I’d fool around with my brothers 12 string occasionally.
When we lived on the Maryland side of the Washington DC beltway dad had a pilot friend of his bring me a Framus electric six string back from Germany 1969. I fooled around with it, it was easier to play than my brothers 12 string.
I had a room mate at the university that had a Martin D-35. I’d fool around with it but not seriously, he was a great guitarist. This was the early 70s and the bass was more of a band instrument than something you could take camping or hanging around with friends in any social way. I picked up my first acoustic guitar in the mid 70s. It was a Yamaha Dreadnought, sounded really good. I can’t recall exactly what happened to it. Bass was my focus, the only time I performed with the guitar was a friend asked me to play a song at their wedding as they walked down the isle.
I have a couple nice six strings now, the Martin 00-15 and a 000-15S. Mostly I play classical guitars. I may let the 000-15S go and up grade the classical.
The closest thing to performing, with the guitar is around camp fires and acoustic jam/circles. I believe playing the six string has made my bass playing better. Being conscious of the guitar chords and finger patterns gives me ideas for innovative bass lines. From those I play with and according to others who hear me play, I’m considered a good guitar player. I don’t do leads, I don’t use picks. My right arm is mostly paralyzed, I can’t strum from the elbow but I can from the wrist in a kind of Flamenco style.
Any similar experiences with these two instruments?
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Post by gato on Jul 11, 2021 15:24:28 GMT -5
I started on guitar in 1959. Initially I listened to country western, watching a TV show that was sponsored by some car dealership in my area. Of course, come 1963 or so, some English group caught my attention, and listening to the stereo version of their album, I became intrigued with the patterns of the left handed guy, playing that horizontal violin thing. In 1964 I got my first bass (Hagstrom), played my first gig that same year, and been gigging ever since. Hagstrom traded in for a Gibson, that turned into a P. bass which morphed into a J bass. My first amp came up to my knees. My current stage amp is level with the top of my head. My hearing has suffered, of course.
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Post by Auf Kiltre on Jul 11, 2021 15:39:05 GMT -5
Guitar has been my thing from around 70/71. I've always respected bass and even recruited a few friends to become bass players in the early days. Borrowing my brother's Kalamazoo bass I would figure out parts and teach them to the guys. One friend actually became a pretty decent bassist until a lawnmower mishap. When my primary focus became songwriting and recording I got a bass and always started assembling tracks with drums and bass, focusing on locking in with the kick.
I never made a switch to bass but always thought it would be a fun challenge.
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Post by matryx81 on Jul 11, 2021 15:47:29 GMT -5
I tried guitar around 7th grade and figured out that to do Andy Summers type stuff, it would take much more than I was patient enough to put in.
I picked up bass at 15 and never looked back to guitar.
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Post by Taildragger on Jul 11, 2021 15:50:05 GMT -5
First guitar about 1966 or 67.
Switched to bass about 6 or 7 years ago because playing it (finger-style) causes me much less arthritis pain.
Initially thought I was "settling", but no longer: am thoroughly enjoying my attempts to become a decent bass player.
Still noodle on the guitar, but bass is far and away my main focus. Don't use a flat pick on either because gripping one for any length of time makes my thumb ache like a bugger.
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Post by windmill on Jul 11, 2021 16:24:05 GMT -5
Looking back, I realise I must been a bit of a "different" kid. I was paying much more attention to the various sounds on the hit records on the radio than any else, so when I asked my parents if I could get a bass they brought me a guitar. Since those days I have always had a bass, but a few years ago decided to take lessons. I am now known as "the bass player" , in my small circle.
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Post by tmc on Jul 11, 2021 16:43:40 GMT -5
I started out on bass in the early 70's. I tried acoustic slide guitar for a couple of years, but just couldn't advance, so it's been all bass ever since.
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Post by Mfitz804 on Jul 11, 2021 17:20:12 GMT -5
Guitar was first, got my first bass maybe 2 years later. I am an above average bass player, in my playing days I was always a better bass player than the bass player in my band, except for one.
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Post by reverendrob on Jul 11, 2021 22:02:22 GMT -5
I play both - had I known the Bass VI had existed when I started, I'd have gotten one and nothing else.
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Post by ninworks on Jul 11, 2021 22:46:37 GMT -5
I was always a guitar player as a kid. My best friend and I started learning at the same time and he decided he wanted to play bass so I always had a bass player. I started playing bass professionally in 1984 in a lounge band. I had done it in the studio for a few years before that. The bass gig was available so I auditioned for it and got the gig. I think I got the gig because I could sing. Playing bass was just a side benefit to that. Yes, for me, guitar was first.
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Post by rickyguitar on Jul 11, 2021 23:45:30 GMT -5
Guitar 1st. Always. Play bass sometimes and can get by but I am not a bass player. Drums some by surprise, to me. Onstage and drummer needed a break. Band leader said "play drums". Then he started calling songs I sang. It was mind expanding.
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Post by MoJoe on Jul 12, 2021 0:41:32 GMT -5
The bass on a good day. On others the gabby guitar is taking over.
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Post by reverendrob on Jul 12, 2021 1:25:40 GMT -5
I should add I wanted a real synth (knobs and sliders, not Casiotone) or a bass, but I was given a guitar and amp, tuner (not cheap then) and a Boss HM-2. Same day I bought a 4 track and a blisteringly new and expensive Boss PS-2 Pitch shifter (mostly because it was 2 seconds of delay in the thing).
I spent years NOT sounding ever like a guitar player, not realizing quite what a bass could do.
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Post by LTB on Jul 12, 2021 1:54:04 GMT -5
I started on guitar at age 12 in 1964. First time playing bass was in 1974 when a band needed a bass player. Stopped playing after that to go to college and then start a family. Took up playing guitar again in 2001 when my kids were in their teens. In 2004 I picked up an inexpensive Squier bass to I could do some home recording of just me. I fell in love with bass and that is about all I play. I will pick up guitar now and then but not very good at it. I mostly play by ear. For the last 2 years I mostly just play along with songs on my computer. Finding people to play with now and then who like same things I do not easy. I quit even looking
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Post by hushnel on Jul 12, 2021 10:10:27 GMT -5
Bass rules. The only band I auditioned for and didn’t get the job was back in 69 or 70. They required vocals, for me singing was a distraction, my bass lines and vocals are like two totally different things and I was never willing to make the sacrifice to add my voice to the mix. Some guys can pull it off really well, but I still hear the bass line taking a back seat to the vocals.
Naw it’s all about the bass. I was initially thrown out of the orchestra back in 1962, I was 9 and one of the youngest guy in the orchestra, I was second chair. I couldn’t sight read music but could figure it out and memorize the tunes. The Orchestra leader made an example of me when chastising a student that hadn’t tuned his instrument. He placed a new piece of music on my stand and told me “show them how it’s done.“ Well I tried to figure it out as fast as I could, but I can’t read music, it’s more like decipher it. He actually grabbed the violin and threw it against a wall. It shattered, I started laughing, it was a nervous thing, not humor. He just got more pissed and said something like what the hell is so funny. The smart ass in me had pretty much developed and I replied with truth, “ well, I guess dad won’t be paying rent on that violin anymore.” It really didn’t improve his attitude when he realized what he had just done.
A year later he cornered me while between classes, he wanted me back in the orchestra, put me on the cello, I didn’t like it, it was too big and I had to carry it back and forth to school on the school bus. the older jock type guys tormented me daily. I don’t know, I could handle that but something about the young girls giggling at my situation struck a chord. I told the Orchestra guy I didn’t like the cello. He offered me the concert bass, initially I groaned, then he told me I wouldn’t be able to bring it home but I’d have to get my dad to bring it home for breaks and long weekend so I could practice. Perfect. The first time I drew that bow across the E string and felt that vibration and sound come back to be off the walls, I was hooked. I thought “this is how God created the universe”. I’ve told this story before.
I’m not a great bassist, I was reminded of this when I spent the week with Victor Wooten, Chuck Rainey(I love this guy) Anthony Wellington, Steve Bailey and Dave Welsh. I had a bit of a problem in one of Anthony’s classes, it was just that I somehow missed what he expected of me. He restated it for me and I ran through the exercise with out a problem. It was however fairly intimidating playing my bass for these guys. Anthony pulled me aside when the class had finished. He told me I was a good bassist, he reminded me that he had heard me play that first day, that his job was to make me a better bassist, and that was exactly what they did.
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Post by Laker on Jul 12, 2021 11:41:03 GMT -5
Like Hushnel, I started out in third grade on violin for a couple of years. When my family moved, the new school system would start students on instruments in fifth grade so I was forced to start over as a beginner because they didn’t have provisions for an advanced student. I switched to sax and played that for six or seven years.
I started as a sax player in my first band and I started noodling on the guitar at the bass player’s home where the first tunes learned were Rumble by Link Wray and Time will Bring You Everything by Gene Vincent. The bass player wanted to be featured fronting the group on two songs he sang so I played bass on those songs. I found I really enjoyed bass, that it seemed like it was very natural for me to play it so when that band split up (two members left for the army) I traded my sax for a used Fender Jazz bass. That was 58 years ago and still a bass player today.
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Post by rok-a-bill-e on Jul 12, 2021 12:46:09 GMT -5
I was honestly unaware of the electric bass as an instrument before McCartney. I think that he was probably the most influential bass player ever in terms of the number of new players who began with the instrument because of him.
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Post by leftrightout on Jul 12, 2021 17:58:33 GMT -5
so what comes first?
Drums
according to the gospel of Bon;
Let there be drums, there was drums Let there be guitar, there was guitar Oh, let there be rock!
end of story or was it just the beginning?
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Post by LTB on Jul 13, 2021 2:08:18 GMT -5
Laker and hushnel, Two really great stories! Thanks for posting 😊
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Post by Auf Kiltre on Jul 13, 2021 7:46:34 GMT -5
A power failure was sort of an epiphany for me years back. I was watching a really tight band play when a breaker must have blown and took out everything but the bass. He and the drummer carried on and it still sounded like a song. When ever I record a track I like to solo the bass and drums and aspire to that moment.
Its interesting that so many bassists started out on guitar. McCartney, arguably one of the most famous bassists seems to get the respect but has a lot of non-traditional elements. One of his most curious bass lines to me is the bridge in "Don't Let Me Down". It's almost like he wrote the part for a horn section then just stuck with it on bass.
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Post by matryx81 on Jul 13, 2021 9:10:47 GMT -5
Its interesting that so many bassists started out on guitar. Frank Zappa nailed it here; most of them were demoted to it in a garage band meeting when they were 13.
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Post by michael on Jul 13, 2021 11:51:20 GMT -5
i've been everything bass from the beginning. upright bass in the orchestra in school, tuba, electric bass, sang bass in choirs... got into guitar later. still playing bass more than anything...
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Post by hushnel on Jul 13, 2021 14:13:25 GMT -5
“Frank Zappa nailed it here; most of them were demoted to it in a garage band meeting when they were 13.”
I’ve seen that, some grow into the instrument and get it, others don’t. I have noticed that it’s generally easier to replace a guitarist than a bassist. I knew the day I pulled the bow across the E string it was my instrument.
Anyone out there thinking that bass is somehow easier than guitar, ain’t playing the bass right.
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Post by Mfitz804 on Jul 13, 2021 14:36:09 GMT -5
Anyone out there thinking that bass is somehow easier than guitar, ain’t playing the bass right. I don't think its easier, but the larger neck, larger frets and lack of chords do make it a bit easier on my hands in my (not as old as some) old age.
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Post by hushnel on Jul 13, 2021 16:58:32 GMT -5
Yeah, I can agree with that concerning the physical considerations. Acoustic guitar it’s one of the reasons I’m playing more classical now than steel string. I’m even considering selling off my 00-15 and 000-15S for a classical upgrade. So much with the bass is what’s going on between the notes.
I‘Ve played the instrument actively for 61 years. I guess I’m just a bit sensitive to the thought that it’s a second tier instrument that one not talented enough to make the cut, can just pick it up and succeed. I am aware that is often the assumption.
Consider the piano, it has the guitar range and the bass pedals . The greatest pianist really shine in a large part by the bass line, intertwining with the chords. The note, pattern and percussion aspect of the pedals make sense of the mid and high notes and bonds the piece, the bass dosent just show the bassist to be great but elevates all the instruments in the piece. It’s one of the reasons we are so important to the song. When you strum and E chord the bass makes that chord bolder when the low E is plucked, it helps to define the chord then the bass smooths out the chord and change by walking off the root to the next note emphasizing and preparing the ear for the next cord or holding it back slightly creating a bit of freshness or suspense, adding walks to prepare or surprise the ear for the next chord. All the time this is helping and making sense of the interaction of the guitar, the drums or any other instrument added to the mix. To me it’s almost mystical. If I’m off in an evening everybody sounds bad.
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Post by LTB on Jul 14, 2021 0:30:00 GMT -5
Anyone out there thinking that bass is somehow easier than guitar, ain’t playing the bass right. I agree!
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Post by MoJoe on Jul 14, 2021 1:29:06 GMT -5
I found playing the bass more demanding. After a lifetime with guitars, the musical approach with the bass has been some task. Like dealing with an undercurrent that's hard to see but massively felt directing the course, as hushnel has put down above in a great post. I've been at least as stunned by intricate basslines of the cracks in the business as I was with the notorious studio guitar players finesse from age 14. The beauty of it being not necessarily found in elaborate jazz compositions but in simple songs that had that little extra thing going on when I could not say how or why until I followed the bassman. In detail. 😏
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Post by Leftee on Jul 14, 2021 8:17:14 GMT -5
For me it was guitar and not until the age of 23. I had just rotated back to the States from the UK and met a guy who played. He loaned me some Ibanez that he flipped around lefty. I played into my stereo for a good while. I later bought a DOD OD pedal so I could ROWK.
It never even dawned on me to play bass until maybe 10 years ago when I was passing files with a friend and we needed some bass on our tracks.
Backing up further, I played trumpet from 5th through 12th grades nd a couple years after that in a community band. This, more than anything, is what I credit my leftee-ness on guitar. The fretboard fingers are the same as the valve fingers.
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Post by NoSoapRadio on Jul 14, 2021 10:50:04 GMT -5
I've never owned a bass -- I'm still struggling with the guitars.
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Post by jhawkr on Jul 14, 2021 11:08:18 GMT -5
I started on viola in the 5th grade and played in the school orchestra through the 9th grade. Always 1st or 2nd chair. Took private lessons every Saturday the whole time. My private lessons teacher was a 1st chair violinist and instructor at Wichita State and was sure I was headed for a scholarship.
Not. I lost interest and picked up a guitar in the 10th grade and self taught the guitar by listening to records and watching the bands play on American Bandstand every Saturday trying to learn new chords. Then I discovered Mel Bay and the big book of chords and I was off to the races. I’ve been a pretty decent guitar player at times but never seemed to have the time to elevate to the next level. I have a bass but I’ve only played with it a couple times. I don’t know if I’ll ever move on from mediocrity.
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